Skip to content
  • Categories
  • Recent
  • Tags
  • Popular
  • World
  • Users
  • Groups
Skins
  • Light
  • Cerulean
  • Cosmo
  • Flatly
  • Journal
  • Litera
  • Lumen
  • Lux
  • Materia
  • Minty
  • Morph
  • Pulse
  • Sandstone
  • Simplex
  • Sketchy
  • Spacelab
  • United
  • Yeti
  • Zephyr
  • Dark
  • Cyborg
  • Darkly
  • Quartz
  • Slate
  • Solar
  • Superhero
  • Vapor

  • Default (No Skin)
  • No Skin
Collapse
Code Project
  1. Home
  2. The Lounge
  3. Paper & Pencil...

Paper & Pencil...

Scheduled Pinned Locked Moved The Lounge
question
55 Posts 29 Posters 12 Views 1 Watching
  • Oldest to Newest
  • Newest to Oldest
  • Most Votes
Reply
  • Reply as topic
Log in to reply
This topic has been deleted. Only users with topic management privileges can see it.
  • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

    Do you use them during your workday? Or are you all digital?

    "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge". Stephen Hawking, 1942- 2018

    D Offline
    D Offline
    dandy72
    wrote on last edited by
    #37

    Despite using digital notes rather extensively in all forms--Windows 10's Sticky Notes, One-Note, and even small plain-text files--my desk still seems to find itself covered in paper notes. I swear I don't know how this happens.

    1 Reply Last reply
    0
    • K kalberts

      I am surprised by how many of my younger work mates come to meetings, presentations and brainstorming carrying an old style paper notebook. When I was that age, 15-20 years ago, noone wanted to be seen in a meeting room without a portable; that would mark you as pre-cambrium. Nowadays, it is no longer necessary to emphasize your modernness to the same degree. Obviously, everybody has smartphones, with more processing and storage capabilities than the old portable. But they are not as good for jotting down notes (certainly not if you have got big hands!), and not for curves and similar sketches. So the notebook is a nice supplement to the smartphone.

      D Offline
      D Offline
      dandy72
      wrote on last edited by
      #38

      Even something that can handle so-called "digital ink" (as much as I despise the term) such as Microsoft's Surface, in combination with software that is designed specifically for it, really isn't all that great. I'd still rather carry pen and paper for those occasions. And although the camera might be useful for taking a picture of someone's whiteboard scribbling...the result leaves a lot to be desired.

      1 Reply Last reply
      0
      • N Nathan Minier

        You forgot to mention the blessed whiteboard: the best place to visualize designs and realize when you're being stupid.

        "Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity." - Hanlon's Razor

        D Offline
        D Offline
        dandy72
        wrote on last edited by
        #39

        My problem with whiteboards is that I'll write something down and leave it there for months. After that much time, so-called "dry erase markers" might as well be permanent markers...

        N D 2 Replies Last reply
        0
        • D dandy72

          My problem with whiteboards is that I'll write something down and leave it there for months. After that much time, so-called "dry erase markers" might as well be permanent markers...

          N Offline
          N Offline
          Nathan Minier
          wrote on last edited by
          #40

          Rubbing alcohol can be your friend, but only if your office is well ventilated.

          "Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity." - Hanlon's Razor

          D 1 Reply Last reply
          0
          • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

            Do you use them during your workday? Or are you all digital?

            "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge". Stephen Hawking, 1942- 2018

            D Offline
            D Offline
            David Crow
            wrote on last edited by
            #41

            I use pen & paper all the time. Any paper that comes off the printer that is not claimed goes into my "scratch" pile.

            "One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson

            "Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons

            "You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles

            J D 2 Replies Last reply
            0
            • D dandy72

              My problem with whiteboards is that I'll write something down and leave it there for months. After that much time, so-called "dry erase markers" might as well be permanent markers...

              D Offline
              D Offline
              David Crow
              wrote on last edited by
              #42

              dandy72 wrote:

              After that much time, so-called "dry erase markers" might as well be permanent markers...

              Write over the dried marker with a fresh one and it should wipe right off.

              "One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson

              "Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons

              "You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles

              D 1 Reply Last reply
              0
              • N Nathan Minier

                Rubbing alcohol can be your friend, but only if your office is well ventilated.

                "Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity." - Hanlon's Razor

                D Offline
                D Offline
                David Crow
                wrote on last edited by
                #43

                Effective in the short term but will eventually render the board useless. The alcohol destroys the lubricating layer of the board. Best to use a whiteboard cleaner that doubles as a conditioner.

                "One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson

                "Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons

                "You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles

                N D 2 Replies Last reply
                0
                • D David Crow

                  Effective in the short term but will eventually render the board useless. The alcohol destroys the lubricating layer of the board. Best to use a whiteboard cleaner that doubles as a conditioner.

                  "One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson

                  "Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons

                  "You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles

                  N Offline
                  N Offline
                  Nathan Minier
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #44

                  Pro tip, thanks!

                  "Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity." - Hanlon's Razor

                  1 Reply Last reply
                  0
                  • K kalberts

                    I am surprised by how many of my younger work mates come to meetings, presentations and brainstorming carrying an old style paper notebook. When I was that age, 15-20 years ago, noone wanted to be seen in a meeting room without a portable; that would mark you as pre-cambrium. Nowadays, it is no longer necessary to emphasize your modernness to the same degree. Obviously, everybody has smartphones, with more processing and storage capabilities than the old portable. But they are not as good for jotting down notes (certainly not if you have got big hands!), and not for curves and similar sketches. So the notebook is a nice supplement to the smartphone.

                    G Offline
                    G Offline
                    Gary Wheeler
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #45

                    It's a matter of great irony to me that in many of the meetings I get invited to, I'm the only one who arrives completely naked - no laptop or [electronic] tablet. Most of those meetings I'll be the only computer/software-type there. I carry a small paper tablet and a pen[^], along with my reading glasses. Yes I'm old, dammit, now get the :elephant: off my lawn!

                    Software Zen: delete this;

                    1 Reply Last reply
                    0
                    • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                      Do you use them during your workday? Or are you all digital?

                      "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge". Stephen Hawking, 1942- 2018

                      P Offline
                      P Offline
                      PIEBALDconsult
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #46

                      Yes.

                      1 Reply Last reply
                      0
                      • D David Crow

                        Effective in the short term but will eventually render the board useless. The alcohol destroys the lubricating layer of the board. Best to use a whiteboard cleaner that doubles as a conditioner.

                        "One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson

                        "Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons

                        "You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles

                        D Offline
                        D Offline
                        dandy72
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #47

                        David Crow wrote:

                        Best to use a whiteboard cleaner that doubles as a conditioner.

                        This is starting to sound like a shampoo commercial. :-D Actually, my best solution for dry-erase marker that won't go away is to draw on top of the existing marks, and immediately erase, while the new marks still haven't yet dried. You might go through a lot of ink, but I've salvaged an otherwise pretty much ruined whiteboard using that method.

                        D 1 Reply Last reply
                        0
                        • D David Crow

                          I use pen & paper all the time. Any paper that comes off the printer that is not claimed goes into my "scratch" pile.

                          "One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson

                          "Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons

                          "You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles

                          J Offline
                          J Offline
                          jeron1
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #48

                          :thumbsup: So I'm not the only one!

                          "the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment "Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst "I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle

                          1 Reply Last reply
                          0
                          • D David Crow

                            dandy72 wrote:

                            After that much time, so-called "dry erase markers" might as well be permanent markers...

                            Write over the dried marker with a fresh one and it should wipe right off.

                            "One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson

                            "Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons

                            "You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles

                            D Offline
                            D Offline
                            dandy72
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #49

                            I just wrote that as a reply to another proposed solution. Yeah, it totally works...but you have to prepare to use a lot of ink, depending on how bad you've allowed it to get. Let's call that a lesson learned.

                            1 Reply Last reply
                            0
                            • D David Crow

                              I use pen & paper all the time. Any paper that comes off the printer that is not claimed goes into my "scratch" pile.

                              "One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson

                              "Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons

                              "You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles

                              D Offline
                              D Offline
                              dandy72
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #50

                              I'm looking at my scratch pile (as you call it) right now. It's nearly 10 years old, about 18 inches high, and not decreasing in height. I have no idea what that says about me. I try to cut down on my paper usage.

                              1 Reply Last reply
                              0
                              • D dandy72

                                David Crow wrote:

                                Best to use a whiteboard cleaner that doubles as a conditioner.

                                This is starting to sound like a shampoo commercial. :-D Actually, my best solution for dry-erase marker that won't go away is to draw on top of the existing marks, and immediately erase, while the new marks still haven't yet dried. You might go through a lot of ink, but I've salvaged an otherwise pretty much ruined whiteboard using that method.

                                D Offline
                                D Offline
                                David Crow
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #51

                                I mentioned that earlier, but it won't work on a board gone bad. Once the lubricating layer of the board is gone, it cannot be cleaned no matter what you use.

                                "One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson

                                "Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons

                                "You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles

                                1 Reply Last reply
                                0
                                • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                                  Do you use them during your workday? Or are you all digital?

                                  "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge". Stephen Hawking, 1942- 2018

                                  F Offline
                                  F Offline
                                  Forogar
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #52

                                  I just have my secretary keeps all the notes I need.:cool:

                                  - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

                                  1 Reply Last reply
                                  0
                                  • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                                    Do you use them during your workday? Or are you all digital?

                                    "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge". Stephen Hawking, 1942- 2018

                                    M Offline
                                    M Offline
                                    Mycroft Holmes
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #53

                                    Last year the bank gave away a box of pencils to everyone, so many of the young whipper snappers insist on using their laptop I ended up with 10 boxes of pencils. So yes I use paper and pencil (no clicking either).

                                    Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH

                                    1 Reply Last reply
                                    0
                                    • K kalberts

                                      I am surprised by how many of my younger work mates come to meetings, presentations and brainstorming carrying an old style paper notebook. When I was that age, 15-20 years ago, noone wanted to be seen in a meeting room without a portable; that would mark you as pre-cambrium. Nowadays, it is no longer necessary to emphasize your modernness to the same degree. Obviously, everybody has smartphones, with more processing and storage capabilities than the old portable. But they are not as good for jotting down notes (certainly not if you have got big hands!), and not for curves and similar sketches. So the notebook is a nice supplement to the smartphone.

                                      D Offline
                                      D Offline
                                      Dar Brett 0
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #54

                                      I'm not sure what a portable is, but I keep notes on my phone - I just write them into my phone after the meeting because using a phone during a meeting tends to seen as not paying attention. Although usually I go back to a computer and type it up, it's just easier that way.

                                      1 Reply Last reply
                                      0
                                      • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                                        Do you use them during your workday? Or are you all digital?

                                        "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge". Stephen Hawking, 1942- 2018

                                        J Offline
                                        J Offline
                                        Jacquers
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #55

                                        I like drawing out stuff for some of the code I need to write. E.g. working on something that works with timelines, its easier for me to figure things out if I see a picture.

                                        1 Reply Last reply
                                        0
                                        Reply
                                        • Reply as topic
                                        Log in to reply
                                        • Oldest to Newest
                                        • Newest to Oldest
                                        • Most Votes


                                        • Login

                                        • Don't have an account? Register

                                        • Login or register to search.
                                        • First post
                                          Last post
                                        0
                                        • Categories
                                        • Recent
                                        • Tags
                                        • Popular
                                        • World
                                        • Users
                                        • Groups