Visual Studio 2017... express or community?
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Nelek wrote:
Where are the differences?
Per this page, Visual Studio Community is an updated alternative to Visual Studio Express.
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I already saw that before posting. If you see in the bottom the "express" is still listed, that's when I started having doubts. I will try the community. Thanks for the comment.
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The only available options for Visual Studio 2017 so far is either "community", "professional", or "enterprise". The "community" edition is exactly the same as "express" edition. :) When making a choice about the edition, I basically refer to Compare Visual Studio Product Offerings | Visual Studio[^] As far as I know "enterprise" edition is for team development, while "professional" edition is slightly the same as the "community" edition, *BUT* supports the unit testing just like the "enterprise". In turn the "enterprise" edition supports Microsoft Team Foundation Server integration, as well as various dev tools for developing apps by a team of developers. :) If you don't need the either team foundation server integration or unit testing, the "community" edition is just for you, and fit all your needs in apps development. Also, there's an edition for iMac development. :)
in the page linked by David Crow above (where I was) there are a link in the bottom that say "do you still want the express edition?" That's why I had doubts. But I am going to check out the community version, since every of you (guys I respect) speak good of it thanks for the comments
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Hi guys, I was looking for the visual studio express 2017 and the site of Microsoft is offering me the visual studio 2017 community. Have you used it? Where are the differences? I am interested on practice mainly with C++, C# and WPF is it better?
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Specifically, I use the "enterprise" edition since it supports the all dev tools and features whatever you need.
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Hi guys, I was looking for the visual studio express 2017 and the site of Microsoft is offering me the visual studio 2017 community. Have you used it? Where are the differences? I am interested on practice mainly with C++, C# and WPF is it better?
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
Here's the comparison table: Compare Visual Studio Product Offerings | Visual Studio[^]
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Specifically, I use the "enterprise" edition since it supports the all dev tools and features whatever you need.
I just want to get used to it again. I am starting in a new company soon and I'll be using it there. It is just to play at home, I will probably have the enterprise version at work.
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in the page linked by David Crow above (where I was) there are a link in the bottom that say "do you still want the express edition?" That's why I had doubts. But I am going to check out the community version, since every of you (guys I respect) speak good of it thanks for the comments
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
I could probably adjust and live with community edition (at work) if I wanted, but I regularly use the pro features, so I've the pro version at work. Enterprise edition is not adding as much value for the $$ difference, so pro it is. My personal laptop runs the community edition though.
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I just want to get used to it again. I am starting in a new company soon and I'll be using it there. It is just to play at home, I will probably have the enterprise version at work.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
At your new work place, the company probably will have VS2017 Enterprise installed, and their local instance of Microsoft Team Foundation Server account as well. :)
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Here's the comparison table: Compare Visual Studio Product Offerings | Visual Studio[^]
Thanks
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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I could probably adjust and live with community edition (at work) if I wanted, but I regularly use the pro features, so I've the pro version at work. Enterprise edition is not adding as much value for the $$ difference, so pro it is. My personal laptop runs the community edition though.
I will very probably have the enterprise at work. I just want to get back in fluent usage of the interface and practice a bit since it has been a while since I used VS last time. Community will certainly fulfill my needs.
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Hi guys, I was looking for the visual studio express 2017 and the site of Microsoft is offering me the visual studio 2017 community. Have you used it? Where are the differences? I am interested on practice mainly with C++, C# and WPF is it better?
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
The Express version has been replaced by the Community version with VS 2015. The difference is that Community is a full version with the features of the Professional version while there were multiple Express versions (initially for each language, later for specific platforms) with limitations (stripped down) like no remote debugging and no MFC.
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The only available options for Visual Studio 2017 so far is either "community", "professional", or "enterprise". The "community" edition is exactly the same as "express" edition. :) When making a choice about the edition, I basically refer to Compare Visual Studio Product Offerings | Visual Studio[^] As far as I know "enterprise" edition is for team development, while "professional" edition is slightly the same as the "community" edition, *BUT* supports the unit testing just like the "enterprise". In turn the "enterprise" edition supports Microsoft Team Foundation Server integration, as well as various dev tools for developing apps by a team of developers. :) If you don't need the either team foundation server integration or unit testing, the "community" edition is just for you, and fit all your needs in apps development. Also, there's an edition for iMac development. :)
I get everything that Pro has, in Community. If you read the fine print, I believe Pro is for larger dev teams (> 5). I have unit testing, tfs, etc, in Community edition. I use Pro at work and Community at home.
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The only available options for Visual Studio 2017 so far is either "community", "professional", or "enterprise". The "community" edition is exactly the same as "express" edition. :) When making a choice about the edition, I basically refer to Compare Visual Studio Product Offerings | Visual Studio[^] As far as I know "enterprise" edition is for team development, while "professional" edition is slightly the same as the "community" edition, *BUT* supports the unit testing just like the "enterprise". In turn the "enterprise" edition supports Microsoft Team Foundation Server integration, as well as various dev tools for developing apps by a team of developers. :) If you don't need the either team foundation server integration or unit testing, the "community" edition is just for you, and fit all your needs in apps development. Also, there's an edition for iMac development. :)
Arthur V. Ratz wrote:
If you don't need the either team foundation server integration or unit testing, the "community" edition is just for you,
This is an inaccurate comment. I have both in Community and use both. Pro is for larger teams > 5.
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Here's the comparison table: Compare Visual Studio Product Offerings | Visual Studio[^]
Wow, based on this, the difference between community and professional is really small. What's the point of the professional version if you can get alsmost the same for free :confused::confused: And more generally speaking, what is the point of giving out the IDE for free ??
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The Express version has been replaced by the Community version with VS 2015. The difference is that Community is a full version with the features of the Professional version while there were multiple Express versions (initially for each language, later for specific platforms) with limitations (stripped down) like no remote debugging and no MFC.
then why is it offered at the bottom of the site? That's what triggered my "not sure" in the first instance. Anyways... it doesn't matter anymore... I am getting community, I want the 2017 version :)
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Wow, based on this, the difference between community and professional is really small. What's the point of the professional version if you can get alsmost the same for free :confused::confused: And more generally speaking, what is the point of giving out the IDE for free ??
The difference is that you cannot use Community Edition if your Team is bigger than 5 people, or the revenue of the company in which you are using Visual Studio is more then 1 million dollars/Year
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Wow, based on this, the difference between community and professional is really small. What's the point of the professional version if you can get alsmost the same for free :confused::confused: And more generally speaking, what is the point of giving out the IDE for free ??
Rage wrote:
What's the point of the professional version if you can get alsmost the same for free :confused: :confused:
Yes, *I* could get almost the same for free, but not large corporate organizations (where the money is). Scroll down to the "usage" section here: Free IDE and Developer Tools | Visual Studio Community[^] Usage: In enterprise organizations (meaning those with >250 PCs or >$1 Million US Dollars in annual revenue), no use is permitted beyond the open source, academic research, and classroom learning environment scenarios described above.
Rage wrote:
And more generally speaking, what is the point of giving out the IDE for free ??
To build a strong user base. The more individuals use it, the more they get accustomed to, and comfortable with Visual Studio. And when these developers go to work for a company, they'll ask for Visual Studio because they're used to it and are most productive building software with it. Now the company however has to purchase professional or enterprise licenses, and it will go on forever.
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then why is it offered at the bottom of the site? That's what triggered my "not sure" in the first instance. Anyways... it doesn't matter anymore... I am getting community, I want the 2017 version :)
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
It is offered for those who anser yes to the question "Do you still want to use VS Express?" See also the footnote which states that this is the final version. But I apologise for not checking availability of the 2017 version because I still had in mind that MS drops it with 2015 (which they at least did for non desktop platforms). I answered because nobody else noted that the Express versions are limited. For me they were never an option due to the missing MFC support.
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It is offered for those who anser yes to the question "Do you still want to use VS Express?" See also the footnote which states that this is the final version. But I apologise for not checking availability of the 2017 version because I still had in mind that MS drops it with 2015 (which they at least did for non desktop platforms). I answered because nobody else noted that the Express versions are limited. For me they were never an option due to the missing MFC support.
Jochen Arndt wrote:
For me they were never an option due to the missing MFC support.
Now you have given me the definitive "no option" as well, as I want to play with them.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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The difference is that you cannot use Community Edition if your Team is bigger than 5 people, or the revenue of the company in which you are using Visual Studio is more then 1 million dollars/Year
Okay, makes sense, I missed that part. Thanks.
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Rage wrote:
What's the point of the professional version if you can get alsmost the same for free :confused: :confused:
Yes, *I* could get almost the same for free, but not large corporate organizations (where the money is). Scroll down to the "usage" section here: Free IDE and Developer Tools | Visual Studio Community[^] Usage: In enterprise organizations (meaning those with >250 PCs or >$1 Million US Dollars in annual revenue), no use is permitted beyond the open source, academic research, and classroom learning environment scenarios described above.
Rage wrote:
And more generally speaking, what is the point of giving out the IDE for free ??
To build a strong user base. The more individuals use it, the more they get accustomed to, and comfortable with Visual Studio. And when these developers go to work for a company, they'll ask for Visual Studio because they're used to it and are most productive building software with it. Now the company however has to purchase professional or enterprise licenses, and it will go on forever.
You are right about the user base, I never thought about it that way. Plus (as stated in my other answer above) I missed the "usage" section. Thanks !