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    Was some thoughts to AI doing development, according to Gartner it's going to be "AI Driven Development" Guess that means the humans do the work, and AI will be the boss.

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      Was some thoughts to AI doing development, according to Gartner it's going to be "AI Driven Development" Guess that means the humans do the work, and AI will be the boss.

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      If AI will take over management it may be an improvement... :)

      "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge". Stephen Hawking, 1942- 2018

      "It never ceases to amaze me that a spacecraft launched in 1977 can be fixed remotely from Earth." ― Brian Cox

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        Was some thoughts to AI doing development, according to Gartner it's going to be "AI Driven Development" Guess that means the humans do the work, and AI will be the boss.

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        Is possibly more accurate...

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          Was some thoughts to AI doing development, according to Gartner it's going to be "AI Driven Development" Guess that means the humans do the work, and AI will be the boss.

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          Nothing new, after all: the boss is already unhuman. Oooops, wait, does the 'I' stand for 'intelligence'?

          In testa che avete, signor di Ceprano?

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            If AI will take over management it may be an improvement... :)

            "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge". Stephen Hawking, 1942- 2018

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            Indeed. :thumbsup:

            In testa che avete, signor di Ceprano?

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            • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

              If AI will take over management it may be an improvement... :)

              "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge". Stephen Hawking, 1942- 2018

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              :thumbsup:

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                Nothing new, after all: the boss is already unhuman. Oooops, wait, does the 'I' stand for 'intelligence'?

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                AI, not AU, otherwise you will soon be bragging of having made the Kessel Run in less than 2475180 AU (= 12 parsec).

                I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.

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                • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                  If AI will take over management it may be an improvement... :)

                  "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge". Stephen Hawking, 1942- 2018

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                  So artificial intelligence is really better than natural stupidity?

                  I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.

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                    So artificial intelligence is really better than natural stupidity?

                    I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.

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                    MAY BE! However there are days I would take my chances happily...

                    "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge". Stephen Hawking, 1942- 2018

                    "It never ceases to amaze me that a spacecraft launched in 1977 can be fixed remotely from Earth." ― Brian Cox

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                    • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                      MAY BE! However there are days I would take my chances happily...

                      "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge". Stephen Hawking, 1942- 2018

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                      Then you are very brave. Look what some primates are capable of doing despite a few million years of evolution. That's nothing compared to the crazy things some AI might be capable of doing without that small advantage.

                      I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.

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                        Then you are very brave. Look what some primates are capable of doing despite a few million years of evolution. That's nothing compared to the crazy things some AI might be capable of doing without that small advantage.

                        I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.

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                        But breaking a computer is much more safe than breaking the head of a primate...

                        "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge". Stephen Hawking, 1942- 2018

                        "It never ceases to amaze me that a spacecraft launched in 1977 can be fixed remotely from Earth." ― Brian Cox

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                        • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                          But breaking a computer is much more safe than breaking the head of a primate...

                          "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge". Stephen Hawking, 1942- 2018

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                          As long as you really break the computer and leave the monitor alone. Why does everyone whack the monitor when they don't like what the computer is up to?

                          I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.

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                            But breaking a computer is much more safe than breaking the head of a primate...

                            "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge". Stephen Hawking, 1942- 2018

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                            Not necessarily ... If they act as a swarm, breaking a computer can have a serious consequence for anyone doing this :-) ...

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                              Was some thoughts to AI doing development, according to Gartner it's going to be "AI Driven Development" Guess that means the humans do the work, and AI will be the boss.

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                              Hahahahaa :D The Perils Of Trade With Machine Learning: "One Pin Drop Can Make You Lose 20 Years Of Returns" | Zero Hedge[^]

                              machines programmed to find a pattern within the noise of the market will always do so... even when there is no actual pattern at all.

                              With the Google AI still translating Turkey (the meat) to Turkey (the country), I am not expecting to see an AI in the workplace very soon.

                              Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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                                Hahahahaa :D The Perils Of Trade With Machine Learning: "One Pin Drop Can Make You Lose 20 Years Of Returns" | Zero Hedge[^]

                                machines programmed to find a pattern within the noise of the market will always do so... even when there is no actual pattern at all.

                                With the Google AI still translating Turkey (the meat) to Turkey (the country), I am not expecting to see an AI in the workplace very soon.

                                Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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                                Eddy Vluggen wrote:

                                machines programmed to find a pattern within the noise of the market will always do so... even when there is no actual pattern at all.

                                . . . and amongst us meat-bags, we have conspiracy theories and those that embrace them.

                                Ravings en masse^

                                "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                                "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                                  Eddy Vluggen wrote:

                                  machines programmed to find a pattern within the noise of the market will always do so... even when there is no actual pattern at all.

                                  . . . and amongst us meat-bags, we have conspiracy theories and those that embrace them.

                                  Ravings en masse^

                                  "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                                  "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                                  W∴ Balboos wrote:

                                  . . . and amongst us meat-bags, we have conspiracy theories and those that embrace them.

                                  I do not see the link with conspiracies? Thing is; while AI's may be used to make weather-predictions more accurate, they lack this thing called common sense. It has no way of verifying its conclusions, and stands and falls with correct assumptions on the data.

                                  Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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                                    W∴ Balboos wrote:

                                    . . . and amongst us meat-bags, we have conspiracy theories and those that embrace them.

                                    I do not see the link with conspiracies? Thing is; while AI's may be used to make weather-predictions more accurate, they lack this thing called common sense. It has no way of verifying its conclusions, and stands and falls with correct assumptions on the data.

                                    Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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                                    If you look for a pattern you'll find one (I thought that association would be clearer as you did post that concept in a large font).

                                    Ravings en masse^

                                    "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                                    "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                                      If you look for a pattern you'll find one (I thought that association would be clearer as you did post that concept in a large font).

                                      Ravings en masse^

                                      "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                                      "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                                      In that case, it would translate more to "bias" than "conspiracies".

                                      Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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                                        In that case, it would translate more to "bias" than "conspiracies".

                                        Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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                                        Let me illustrate: The anti-vaccination movement. As is usual for such things, they cannot differentiate between the "The Three C's": Coincidence, Correlation, and Cause and Effect. So a claim is made that vaccinations cause autism (E Pluribus Unum) An increase in autism is cited. The children (most likely) had been vaccinated. Correlation! The fact that (1) Autism is now the autism spectrum and they encompass not only true victims of the malady but anyone who'll pay a shrink to diagnose their code with some version (and thus get gov't aid). So, broadening the diagnosis realm caused an "increase". The fact that study after study finds their beliefs wrong . . . and they will just blame it on a conspiracy between the "Big Pharma" and government. And go on finding evidence to prove it. And ignoring anything that disproves it. In polite terms, it's termed as "cherry picking data". There are always those who want to believe. Basically, a method to blame someone else for your woes.

                                        Ravings en masse^

                                        "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                                        "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                                          Let me illustrate: The anti-vaccination movement. As is usual for such things, they cannot differentiate between the "The Three C's": Coincidence, Correlation, and Cause and Effect. So a claim is made that vaccinations cause autism (E Pluribus Unum) An increase in autism is cited. The children (most likely) had been vaccinated. Correlation! The fact that (1) Autism is now the autism spectrum and they encompass not only true victims of the malady but anyone who'll pay a shrink to diagnose their code with some version (and thus get gov't aid). So, broadening the diagnosis realm caused an "increase". The fact that study after study finds their beliefs wrong . . . and they will just blame it on a conspiracy between the "Big Pharma" and government. And go on finding evidence to prove it. And ignoring anything that disproves it. In polite terms, it's termed as "cherry picking data". There are always those who want to believe. Basically, a method to blame someone else for your woes.

                                          Ravings en masse^

                                          "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                                          "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                                          W∴ Balboos wrote:

                                          The fact that study after study finds their beliefs wrong . . . and they will just blame it on a conspiracy between the "Big Pharma" and government. And go on finding evidence to prove it. And ignoring anything that disproves it.

                                          There will always be people who prefer to (religiously) "believe" something, over verifying. Some people here don't get their flu-shot because "you can still get the flu". While technically true, it is a very unhelpfull argument. It also may not help that the Netherlands ordered 5 million flu-vaccines for an avian flu pandemic that never happened. Both government and big pharma are doing their utter best to keep their image up.

                                          Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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