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The evidence is all there if you care to go and look for it. Legalisation of drugs has never done anything but harm.
Dont consider all drugs as the same. Alcohol was more of a problem when made illegal in the US (criminality + more people drank), but in general it is a safe drug. Dope tends to lead to neurotic behaviour in some. Coke is safe, till your heart packs in, at 60, but is fun till then (thus boosting GDP and fixing the pensions problem as well as saving the health service money in not having to treat old people). Speed is just cheap coke, and makes people lose weight (boosts the GDP, and fixes the type 2 diabetes problem and hence saving the health service money.) So yeah, some good and bad there. :)
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Yeah, I've looked into it some more and you're right. Encouraging people to use substances that reduce your brain function, cause addiction and psychosis, and act as a gateway to harder drugs is going to have no adverse affect on society at all :rolleyes:
Legal or not, people will smoke pot. They won't get a criminal record for doing now.
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Legal or not, people will smoke pot. They won't get a criminal record for doing now.
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No, it doesn't. Christianity is not this "loving, give us a try, we're researchers" nonsense. The Christian religion is based on fairy-tales that already existed before, did things that other profets did, by a man not mentioned ANYWHERE in history except in the bible. And no, Christianity does not promote thinking; talking about some witch that walked on water. Next to that, nothing good comes out of religion. It should be banned in all forms, as the great evil that it is :thumbsup:
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Legal or not, people will smoke pot. They won't get a criminal record for doing now.
And now there is a high chance they will migrate to harder drugs, and people who would never get hooked on drugs before might now start. It doesn't bother me in the slightest that people get criminal records for using controlled substances because the effect is wider-reaching that the act itself and people need to realise that. Things like this send out a message that using drugs is no big deal, it's harmless and so on, and that is arguably a bigger danger than the fact that there will be even more loser pot heads shuffling around.
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Laws need definition. How do you "define" if someone is impaired if you can't objectively measure or detect it? People driving while impaired from drugs *is* a big problem and the police often can't do anything about it. And of course it's not just the dope-heads driving while under the influence, their brains are so addled and useless they'll still be a danger even when not under the influence.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
How do you "define" if someone is impaired if you can't objectively measure or detect it?
Agreed. That's the first thing that has to be defined. You're telling me it hasn't?
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
People driving while impaired from drugs *is* a big problem and the police often can't do anything about it.
That's news to me if that's true. I've never heard of a story where some pot-head was let go because a cop didn't have any proof/evidence.
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dandy72 wrote:
for something that's remaining the same?
I imagine the number of high drivers will increase now that it is legal. So, no, I don't think it is remaining the same.
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So the argument against police "readiness" has to do with the potential increase in pool size, and not how to establish whether someone is high or not. It would be easy enough for the media to explain it that way, but that's not at all how they're presenting the argument.
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So, because you do not believe it nor can understand it then it must be evil. OK. That's not crazy at all. :omg:
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
011111100010 wrote:
So, because you do not believe it nor can understand it then it must be evil.
No, that's YOUR way of magical thinking. I do not believe, I verify. I'm sick and tired of deluded people saying that religion is a good thing. Speaking untruths as if they were real, basing judgement on that. And because we can prove that the stories are utter bullshit, most Christians now no longer believe the "literal word", but choose to worship a God-of-the-Gaps (look it up). So, what good has the Church contributed? Outside some jokes on child-abuse, refusing vaccinations (because it is in Gods' hands) or explaining other people how they GO TO HELL TO SUFFER ETERNALLY* because of an abortion? *) ..but he loves you. If you are religious, my condolances. Apperently lots of people still need the crutch because reality is too scary and hard. Still doesn't give them the right to "educate" any of their nonsense to kids.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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011111100010 wrote:
So, because you do not believe it nor can understand it then it must be evil.
No, that's YOUR way of magical thinking. I do not believe, I verify. I'm sick and tired of deluded people saying that religion is a good thing. Speaking untruths as if they were real, basing judgement on that. And because we can prove that the stories are utter bullshit, most Christians now no longer believe the "literal word", but choose to worship a God-of-the-Gaps (look it up). So, what good has the Church contributed? Outside some jokes on child-abuse, refusing vaccinations (because it is in Gods' hands) or explaining other people how they GO TO HELL TO SUFFER ETERNALLY* because of an abortion? *) ..but he loves you. If you are religious, my condolances. Apperently lots of people still need the crutch because reality is too scary and hard. Still doesn't give them the right to "educate" any of their nonsense to kids.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
I verify.
Exactly, which is what my first post was all about. Christianity encourages you to verify. Glad we can see eye to eye on that one.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
we can prove that the stories are utter bullshit
That's cute. Go ahead, prove them wrong. I'll wait. But I won't hold my breath.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
the Church contributed? Outside some jokes on child-abuse, refusing vaccinations (because it is in Gods' hands) or explaining other people how they GO TO HELL TO SUFFER ETERNALLY* because of an abortion?
You keep referring to the Catholic Church, not the Christian religion. Huge difference.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
still need the crutch
Again, you mock what you do not understand. That says a lot about your character.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
I verify.
Exactly, which is what my first post was all about. Christianity encourages you to verify. Glad we can see eye to eye on that one.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
we can prove that the stories are utter bullshit
That's cute. Go ahead, prove them wrong. I'll wait. But I won't hold my breath.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
the Church contributed? Outside some jokes on child-abuse, refusing vaccinations (because it is in Gods' hands) or explaining other people how they GO TO HELL TO SUFFER ETERNALLY* because of an abortion?
You keep referring to the Catholic Church, not the Christian religion. Huge difference.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
still need the crutch
Again, you mock what you do not understand. That says a lot about your character.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
011111100010 wrote:
Exactly, which is what my first post was all about. Christianity encourages you to verify. Glad we can see eye to eye on that one.
No, it doesn't, it is based on this thing called belief.
011111100010 wrote:
That's cute. Go ahead, prove them wrong.
I am not indulging in your delusion.
011111100010 wrote:
You keep referring to the Catholic Church, not the Christian religion. Huge difference.
Both based on the same false premise, both perpetuate their fantasy. We have adults making up new stuff to defend that fantasy, claiming it to be "truth".
011111100010 wrote:
Again, you mock what you do not understand. That says a lot about your character.
And another way to defend your false belief; lying to yourself to protect your valuable nonsense instead of actually trying to quantify my experience or understanding. And then you base your life-decisions on such lies and dare to suggest it has a place in the future of mankind. And since we're at it; God is "everywhere" and "everything". So this is just me, God, rambling against you how I do not exist. It would be heresy to claim otherwise if you believe in the Christian concept of God.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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011111100010 wrote:
Exactly, which is what my first post was all about. Christianity encourages you to verify. Glad we can see eye to eye on that one.
No, it doesn't, it is based on this thing called belief.
011111100010 wrote:
That's cute. Go ahead, prove them wrong.
I am not indulging in your delusion.
011111100010 wrote:
You keep referring to the Catholic Church, not the Christian religion. Huge difference.
Both based on the same false premise, both perpetuate their fantasy. We have adults making up new stuff to defend that fantasy, claiming it to be "truth".
011111100010 wrote:
Again, you mock what you do not understand. That says a lot about your character.
And another way to defend your false belief; lying to yourself to protect your valuable nonsense instead of actually trying to quantify my experience or understanding. And then you base your life-decisions on such lies and dare to suggest it has a place in the future of mankind. And since we're at it; God is "everywhere" and "everything". So this is just me, God, rambling against you how I do not exist. It would be heresy to claim otherwise if you believe in the Christian concept of God.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
No, it doesn't, it is based on this thing called belief.
I can see this is hard for you so I'll spell it out a little slower. Christ taught things. We believe that. However, he said if you wanted to know if what he taught is true, then to test it. You cannot get more free thinking than that. I see you have a lot of anger towards religion. I have no idea what has happened in your past, but I can tell you that God does exist and that he loves you and that he knows you on a personal level. And you can know if he is real too. Simple.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
No, it doesn't, it is based on this thing called belief.
I can see this is hard for you so I'll spell it out a little slower. Christ taught things. We believe that. However, he said if you wanted to know if what he taught is true, then to test it. You cannot get more free thinking than that. I see you have a lot of anger towards religion. I have no idea what has happened in your past, but I can tell you that God does exist and that he loves you and that he knows you on a personal level. And you can know if he is real too. Simple.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
011111100010 wrote:
Christ taught things. We believe that.
A person whose existence is not mentioned outside the bible. Believe what you want to.
011111100010 wrote:
I see you have a lot of anger towards religion.
As any sane person would, especially when reading the news now and then.
011111100010 wrote:
I can tell you that God does exist
Only in your mind.
011111100010 wrote:
that he loves you and that he knows you on a personal level. And you can know if he is real too.
Polio, cancer, ebola. Your God would not want to meet me, as the bill he is running is currently rather high.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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011111100010 wrote:
Christ taught things. We believe that.
A person whose existence is not mentioned outside the bible. Believe what you want to.
011111100010 wrote:
I see you have a lot of anger towards religion.
As any sane person would, especially when reading the news now and then.
011111100010 wrote:
I can tell you that God does exist
Only in your mind.
011111100010 wrote:
that he loves you and that he knows you on a personal level. And you can know if he is real too.
Polio, cancer, ebola. Your God would not want to meet me, as the bill he is running is currently rather high.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
A person whose existence is not mentioned outside the bible.
Not true. But even if it were, so?
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Polio, cancer, ebola.
Oh, I see. Because bad things exist then God cannot exist. Ya, that's real free thinking there. You were told that and now you believe that. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: So, do your children hate you for letting them go outside? They could get hurt. How dare you let them into a world where bad things can happen. :laugh:
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
A person whose existence is not mentioned outside the bible.
Not true. But even if it were, so?
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Polio, cancer, ebola.
Oh, I see. Because bad things exist then God cannot exist. Ya, that's real free thinking there. You were told that and now you believe that. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: So, do your children hate you for letting them go outside? They could get hurt. How dare you let them into a world where bad things can happen. :laugh:
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
011111100010 wrote:
Not true. But even if it were, so?
It is true; there is no evidence for any of it outside the bible. And the bible itself is hearsay which was penned down hundreds of years after. You know that game were kids in a circle whisper something to their neighbour and a complete other story emerges at the end? :)
011111100010 wrote:
Oh, I see. Because bad things exist then God cannot exist.
A little more than that; if God exists and is omnipotent, then he is the source of all suffering.
011111100010 wrote:
So, do your children hate you for letting them go outside? They could get hurt. How dare you let them into a world where bad things can happen.
I'm not asking my children to pray to me as if I'm almighty.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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011111100010 wrote:
Not true. But even if it were, so?
It is true; there is no evidence for any of it outside the bible. And the bible itself is hearsay which was penned down hundreds of years after. You know that game were kids in a circle whisper something to their neighbour and a complete other story emerges at the end? :)
011111100010 wrote:
Oh, I see. Because bad things exist then God cannot exist.
A little more than that; if God exists and is omnipotent, then he is the source of all suffering.
011111100010 wrote:
So, do your children hate you for letting them go outside? They could get hurt. How dare you let them into a world where bad things can happen.
I'm not asking my children to pray to me as if I'm almighty.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
there is no evidence for any of it outside the bible.
You should fammiliarize yourself with Book of Mormon | LDS.org[^]. It also is a testament of Christ written by people living in America. Although not official scripture, there is also Quetzalcóatl.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
was penned down hundreds of years after.
Not true. It was compiled and translated later on by King James from the original writings. But yes, this is why some of it is not totally accurate. It was translated by some dudes.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
God exists and is omnipotent, then he is the source of all suffering.
I've heard people make this argument before and it makes no sense. Surely you are smarter than this, right? If I punch you, is that God's fault? :wtf:
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
I'm not asking my children to pray to me as if I'm almighty.
Clearly you are far from almighty. ;) But what you do not understand is that prayer is not for His sake, it is for ours. Look Eddy, it's really simple. Either God exists or he doesn't. And there is a way to find out if he does. Why are so many people afraid of finding out the truth? That puzzles me.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
there is no evidence for any of it outside the bible.
You should fammiliarize yourself with Book of Mormon | LDS.org[^]. It also is a testament of Christ written by people living in America. Although not official scripture, there is also Quetzalcóatl.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
was penned down hundreds of years after.
Not true. It was compiled and translated later on by King James from the original writings. But yes, this is why some of it is not totally accurate. It was translated by some dudes.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
God exists and is omnipotent, then he is the source of all suffering.
I've heard people make this argument before and it makes no sense. Surely you are smarter than this, right? If I punch you, is that God's fault? :wtf:
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
I'm not asking my children to pray to me as if I'm almighty.
Clearly you are far from almighty. ;) But what you do not understand is that prayer is not for His sake, it is for ours. Look Eddy, it's really simple. Either God exists or he doesn't. And there is a way to find out if he does. Why are so many people afraid of finding out the truth? That puzzles me.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
011111100010 wrote:
You should fammiliarize yourself with Book of Mormon | LDS.org[^]. It also is a testament of Christ written by people living in America.
Not a testament; none of them were there to write down his actual words - so hearsay from a period centuries later than the bible, which came centuries after the supposed existing man.
011111100010 wrote:
Although not official scripture, there is also Quetzalcóatl.
Well, you can combine fantasy as much as you like. Throw some aliens in there too, for good measure. And some goblins.
011111100010 wrote:
Not true. It was compiled and translated later on by King James from the original writings. But yes, this is why some of it is not totally accurate. It was translated by some dudes.
What I said was very true; the bible is a collection of books without reference to ANYTHING in real history, written hundreds of years after christ. The KjV is an even younger version, an interpretation ratified by the leading fantasy-lore teller from the 16th century.
011111100010 wrote:
I've heard people make this argument before and it makes no sense.
Correct; the only way out of the statement is to have an Evil God. Which makes no sense either. Occams' razor applies.
011111100010 wrote:
If I punch you, is that God's fault? :WTF:
If he exists and is as described, then yes. It would also pose another problem if you take your teachings more serious. Since we both are part of God (he is everything), we might conclude that God hits himself.
011111100010 wrote:
Clearly you are far from almighty. ;) But what you do not understand is that prayer is not for His sake, it is for ours.
Talking to an invisible man and hoping for wonders is not a sign of a healthy mind.
011111100010 wrote:
Look Eddy, it's really simple. Either God exists or he doesn't. And there is a way to find out if he does. Why are so many people afraid of finding out the truth? That puzzles me.
If there was a God, he wou
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011111100010 wrote:
You should fammiliarize yourself with Book of Mormon | LDS.org[^]. It also is a testament of Christ written by people living in America.
Not a testament; none of them were there to write down his actual words - so hearsay from a period centuries later than the bible, which came centuries after the supposed existing man.
011111100010 wrote:
Although not official scripture, there is also Quetzalcóatl.
Well, you can combine fantasy as much as you like. Throw some aliens in there too, for good measure. And some goblins.
011111100010 wrote:
Not true. It was compiled and translated later on by King James from the original writings. But yes, this is why some of it is not totally accurate. It was translated by some dudes.
What I said was very true; the bible is a collection of books without reference to ANYTHING in real history, written hundreds of years after christ. The KjV is an even younger version, an interpretation ratified by the leading fantasy-lore teller from the 16th century.
011111100010 wrote:
I've heard people make this argument before and it makes no sense.
Correct; the only way out of the statement is to have an Evil God. Which makes no sense either. Occams' razor applies.
011111100010 wrote:
If I punch you, is that God's fault? :WTF:
If he exists and is as described, then yes. It would also pose another problem if you take your teachings more serious. Since we both are part of God (he is everything), we might conclude that God hits himself.
011111100010 wrote:
Clearly you are far from almighty. ;) But what you do not understand is that prayer is not for His sake, it is for ours.
Talking to an invisible man and hoping for wonders is not a sign of a healthy mind.
011111100010 wrote:
Look Eddy, it's really simple. Either God exists or he doesn't. And there is a way to find out if he does. Why are so many people afraid of finding out the truth? That puzzles me.
If there was a God, he wou
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
the only way out of the statement is to have an Evil God.
So, it is God's fault if I punch you in the face? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Dude, no wonder we can't have a rational conversation on any topic with you. :doh: :wtf:
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
the only way out of the statement is to have an Evil God.
So, it is God's fault if I punch you in the face? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Dude, no wonder we can't have a rational conversation on any topic with you. :doh: :wtf:
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
011111100010 wrote:
So, it is God's fault if I punch you in the face? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Do I really have to repeat that? It would be God punching himself.
011111100010 wrote:
Dude, no wonder we can't have a rational conversation on any topic with you. :doh: :WTF:
You can't have any rational discussion with people who believe in unicorns. The age of religion has not been superseded by the age of idiocy, but of reason. We do not need sky-pixies to explain thunder and lightning.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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011111100010 wrote:
So, it is God's fault if I punch you in the face? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Do I really have to repeat that? It would be God punching himself.
011111100010 wrote:
Dude, no wonder we can't have a rational conversation on any topic with you. :doh: :WTF:
You can't have any rational discussion with people who believe in unicorns. The age of religion has not been superseded by the age of idiocy, but of reason. We do not need sky-pixies to explain thunder and lightning.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
It would be God punching himself.
:omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: That's even crazier. You're nuts man!
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
It would be God punching himself.
:omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: That's even crazier. You're nuts man!
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
011111100010 wrote:
That's even crazier. You're nuts man!
Just quoting what YOU "believe". Are you implying that God is not in everything?
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.