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Let me ask here... something that bugged me for a while.... why is it that people keep pitting socialism vs capitalism when... they really don't have much to do with each other. I know there is lot of propaganda both ways involved but... it seems to me capitalism is just a basic mechanism of economy and socialism is an ambition. EDIT It's like saying I can't buy this item here because I need to plant seeds first. One hasn't much to do with the other! :omg: :rolleyes: :sigh: I would say socialism give you some suggestion what to do with some of the money. Capitalism will tell you how to best get money. Those are, in fact, complimentary! ;-P
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In my opinion it is because most people have only vague ideas, at best, of what those terms actually mean. Currently, those whining against what they see as a socialist movement obviously don't know because what they whine about is NOT socialism. They then turn around and advocate socialist policies. I find it very amusing to see people advocate what they are whining about.
"They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"
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Let me ask here... something that bugged me for a while.... why is it that people keep pitting socialism vs capitalism when... they really don't have much to do with each other. I know there is lot of propaganda both ways involved but... it seems to me capitalism is just a basic mechanism of economy and socialism is an ambition. EDIT It's like saying I can't buy this item here because I need to plant seeds first. One hasn't much to do with the other! :omg: :rolleyes: :sigh: I would say socialism give you some suggestion what to do with some of the money. Capitalism will tell you how to best get money. Those are, in fact, complimentary! ;-P
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This entire discussion is why I am glad I live in a republic that despises "democracy." I only hope the American people can hold on to it (Americans - name the source). Now I know many of you are from all over the world, but as an American, I am appalled at the level of ignorance our government education system fosters. After reading all of the comments and the explanations of this and that, it still comes down to private property rights. Can a citizen keep the fruits of their labor? If I'm smarter than you, should I not benefit from my investment in my education, late nights and many failures, finally to make myself profitable? No? The result is no one works: Soviet Union, old style China, possibly parts of new China, Venezuela, etc. The consequences are poverty. Many of you on CP are from Eastern Europe. You know what I am talking about. Parse it any way you want. Take any smart ass shoveling these ideas, take away his income because the state deems it worthy to give to someone else, and that smart ass *will* *stop* *working*. It's been proven over and over again. TANSTAFFL
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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This entire discussion is why I am glad I live in a republic that despises "democracy." I only hope the American people can hold on to it (Americans - name the source). Now I know many of you are from all over the world, but as an American, I am appalled at the level of ignorance our government education system fosters. After reading all of the comments and the explanations of this and that, it still comes down to private property rights. Can a citizen keep the fruits of their labor? If I'm smarter than you, should I not benefit from my investment in my education, late nights and many failures, finally to make myself profitable? No? The result is no one works: Soviet Union, old style China, possibly parts of new China, Venezuela, etc. The consequences are poverty. Many of you on CP are from Eastern Europe. You know what I am talking about. Parse it any way you want. Take any smart ass shoveling these ideas, take away his income because the state deems it worthy to give to someone else, and that smart ass *will* *stop* *working*. It's been proven over and over again. TANSTAFFL
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
I don;'t even see how your response relate to my question, haha! Or maybe you took this opportunity to go on a tangent, yet related topic, perhaps?
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Let me ask here... something that bugged me for a while.... why is it that people keep pitting socialism vs capitalism when... they really don't have much to do with each other. I know there is lot of propaganda both ways involved but... it seems to me capitalism is just a basic mechanism of economy and socialism is an ambition. EDIT It's like saying I can't buy this item here because I need to plant seeds first. One hasn't much to do with the other! :omg: :rolleyes: :sigh: I would say socialism give you some suggestion what to do with some of the money. Capitalism will tell you how to best get money. Those are, in fact, complimentary! ;-P
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Do not kid yourself. Socialism is about taking the money (Substitute for Goods and Services) from people that work hard and contribute to society and giving it to people to who don't. This is done via Taxation in the United States. e.g. Food Stamps and Welfare. Having said that, there are many people physically and mentally incapable of working that really do need help. Those folks should be cared for. Unfortunately, they are far outnumbered by those that scam the system. It is a difficult problem faced by all nations. Think Aesop's the Ants and the Grasshopper fable. Socialism has failed as an economic structure, see the USSR.
Adam Smith - Supply and Demand. It's not just a suggestion or theory, it's the LAW.
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Do not kid yourself. Socialism is about taking the money (Substitute for Goods and Services) from people that work hard and contribute to society and giving it to people to who don't. This is done via Taxation in the United States. e.g. Food Stamps and Welfare. Having said that, there are many people physically and mentally incapable of working that really do need help. Those folks should be cared for. Unfortunately, they are far outnumbered by those that scam the system. It is a difficult problem faced by all nations. Think Aesop's the Ants and the Grasshopper fable. Socialism has failed as an economic structure, see the USSR.
Adam Smith - Supply and Demand. It's not just a suggestion or theory, it's the LAW.
Err... URSS is communism, not the same thing.... there are 2 words because.. there are 2 differents things
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