I don't want to start a political discussion
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Nelek wrote:
Different colors, sizes and time slots for seeding, flowering and recollecting. Now... only one kind with 4 different types (colour and sweetnees).
Nonetheless, before or after, all clones. That's the point. Complaining about seedless varieties is not a valid argument in the world of commercial farming. Not unless you don't mind someone, somewhere, starving. It's only useful in a "natural world" and a natural world wouldn't have seven or eight billion of us two-legged creatures eating and breeding. Worrying about what-if? There's always a "what if?" - but there's also a "What if we don't?" that could be worse . . . just a little bit later on.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote:
and a natural world wouldn't have seven or eight billion of us two-legged creatures eating and breeding.
We will take care of that ourselves sooner or later. The big questions are "when?" and "will be only us? Or will we crash the world defintivelly in the process?"
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Who ? China did. France did, we have such a lab in the area of Lyon ! We had to pass a law for avoiding patents on biological livings and to stop gene manipulations or eugenics. These leads inexorably to human beings being transformed into men with no fear and no brain (so the perfect soldier). China even cloned a human being already. France has nuclear weapons. Enough to nuke the complete world. So what's the difference from the military point of view ? "Bioweapons" are at least as good mass destruction weapons as a deterrence strategy. Deterrence does not rely on killing others and controlling so that you are not touched by it, it relies on telling the others that there is nothing to win by attacking since nobody would survive at all. Plus bioterrorism is already a thing.[^] I am not telling that China or anyone has developed in a secret lab the Covid-19, this was clearly proved as a derivation of some animal virus. But this does not mean that nobody is developing some nasty things in an organized way and sponsored by goverments.
Rage wrote:
China did. France did, we have such a lab in the area of Lyon
Lots of countries got into genetics, in the early days of it, but we've learned a lot, since then, and one thing geneticists have learned is "don't mess with weaponising virals".
Rage wrote:
We had to pass a law for avoiding patents on biological livings and to stop gene manipulations or eugenics
AFAIK, the US still allows genetic sequence patenting, but that and eugenics are another thing -- as different from weaponising viruses as network administration is from coding in VB.
Rage wrote:
These leads inexorably to human beings being transformed into men with no fear and no brain (so the perfect soldier).
A much beloved concept in Sci-Fi, movies, and comics, but again, it could only be carried out by a totalitarian government, where the "Great Leader" is an object of worship.
Rage wrote:
China even cloned a human being already.
Fake news, I'm afraid, disseminated by rags like the Daily Mail. The proper docs show that they cloned stem cells from human embryos -- for medical purposes, like growing organs for transplant, and what have you. Again, chalk to bioweapons' cheese.
Rage wrote:
Deterrence does not rely on killing others and controlling so that you are not touched by it, it relies on telling the others that there is nothing to win by attacking since nobody would survive at all.
"You use bioweapons and we'll nuke you" is also a feasible deterrent.
Rage wrote:
Sure, in dictionaries and encyclopaedias (the only instance of it that I've heard of was carried out by US citizens on US citizens), but bioterrorism is just biowarfare carried out by a tiny army. They don't manufacture new viruses -- it's easier to make pipe bombs or fill bags with salomonella-infected slurry than splice bits of virus together.
Rage wrote:
this does not mean that nobody is developing some nasty things in an organized way and sponsored by goverments.
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Rage wrote:
China did. France did, we have such a lab in the area of Lyon ! We had to pass a law for avoiding patents on biological livings and to stop gene manipulations or eugenics. These leads inexorably to human beings being transformed into men with no fear and no brain (so the perfect soldier). China even cloned a human being already. France has nuclear weapons. Enough to nuke the complete world. So what's the difference from the military point of view ? "Bioweapons" are at least as good mass destruction weapons as a deterrence strategy. Deterrence does not rely on killing others and controlling so that you are not touched by it, it relies on telling the others that there is nothing to win by attacking since nobody would survive at all.
I think there is a lot behind this arguments, but that is enough for a new thread and can very fast degenerate into soapbox levels. Sadly :sigh:
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
Nelek wrote:
can very fast degenerate into soapbox levels. Sadly
Only if people stop discussing it as civilised people.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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If you look hard enough, (particularly on the internet), you will find some prediction/conspiracy theory for every possible event. You also need to bear in mind that TV program makers are more inclined to sensationalism, than facts. I'm betting Nostradamus also predicted it! :)
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I am not going for the "conspiracy" thread. I am not pointing to the chinese, and I already said that there are evidences (at least in Germany it is being told so) that it is not the same virus. The intention of message was to have a debate about the what risks are considered to be acceptable just for the sick of "science" The lab responsibles already said that they were just mixing things and creating a new variation just to see how it would behave. As it was not enough with natural mutations, that we have to interfere and do silly things that can explode in our face.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
Nelek wrote:
I am not pointing to the chinese, and I already said that there are evidences (at least in Germany it is being told so) that it is not the same virus.
To continue from yesterday: You should definitely watch this video[^] which I was only made aware of today... :omg:
Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant
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Nelek wrote:
I am not pointing to the chinese, and I already said that there are evidences (at least in Germany it is being told so) that it is not the same virus.
To continue from yesterday: You should definitely watch this video[^] which I was only made aware of today... :omg:
Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant
Anonymous
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The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine
Winston Churchill, 1944
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Never argue with a fool. Onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.
Mark TwainThere are several videos with conspiracy theories. Some saying it was an accident. Some saying it was deliveratelly, to buy stocks of companies when the crash came. Some saying it was the USA who released it in china to accuse them afterwards. some saying... But leaving the conspiracies apart. One thing that I do consider true is that they should have told it before, maybe the effects worldwide could have been less dramatic. And another think I don't really believe (but this is only my opinion), that the numbers don't match. I think the number of affected and specially the number of deads is much higher that the official statistics are giving. I have information of expats living there for many years and have seen myself many asiatic countries... medical service is by far not that effective (at least not for the average joe, if you have money then is another thing), anyways... 3.9% deaths while in several west countries over 6%... I don't buy it.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.