I'm ready to pack it in. I've been outsmarted by .NET's garbage collector (A rant, not a question)
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Update: I killed it. It took me the better part of the day to get it right, and then get advanced with how i was using it, and then integrate that into the projects that go with the library but it's done. Woo. Changed the way I was doing interop somewhat, and it's more complicated now but it still works - although perf could be slightly improved (does two HGlobal allocs where it could in theory use one) I sometimes really can't stand managed code. I've got a MIDI callback I'm using while streaming playback, and it's supposed to notify me when the stream needs more data. It forwards that callback to an event off of my MidiStream object Well, it does that fine, and in the console app i wrote it has no problem feeding more data to the stream each time. I had been working on it all night, and finally thought I had it licked. In a windows forms app on the the other hand, it works for awhile, and then randomly crashes because for some reason the delegate that handles the callback has been garbage collected. I have no idea why. It never should have been and doesn't appear to go out of scope anywhere. Worse, I can't even catch the crash in the debugger - it just exits entirely without so much as an error message I'm at a loss, and I can't release with this stability issue. I miss C and C++ right about now. :(
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I think a very known situation for which google gives a lot of hints ;) Btw: Is also PInvoke involved?
It does not solve my Problem, but it answers my question
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Update: I killed it. It took me the better part of the day to get it right, and then get advanced with how i was using it, and then integrate that into the projects that go with the library but it's done. Woo. Changed the way I was doing interop somewhat, and it's more complicated now but it still works - although perf could be slightly improved (does two HGlobal allocs where it could in theory use one) I sometimes really can't stand managed code. I've got a MIDI callback I'm using while streaming playback, and it's supposed to notify me when the stream needs more data. It forwards that callback to an event off of my MidiStream object Well, it does that fine, and in the console app i wrote it has no problem feeding more data to the stream each time. I had been working on it all night, and finally thought I had it licked. In a windows forms app on the the other hand, it works for awhile, and then randomly crashes because for some reason the delegate that handles the callback has been garbage collected. I have no idea why. It never should have been and doesn't appear to go out of scope anywhere. Worse, I can't even catch the crash in the debugger - it just exits entirely without so much as an error message I'm at a loss, and I can't release with this stability issue. I miss C and C++ right about now. :(
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So the error is "A callback was made on a garbage collected delegate of type [whatever]", right?
honey the codewitch wrote:
It never should have been and doesn't appear to go out of scope anywhere.
Well who knows. The GC thinks it's dead, and effectively it's the Source of Truth even when it's wrong. Does it go away if you intentionally leak the delegate? (stick it in a static list)
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Yeah it is, but i'm pretty sure my p/invoke calls are correct
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You are supposed to "pin" the delegate so that the GC doesn't move it around.
The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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You are supposed to "pin" the delegate so that the GC doesn't move it around.
The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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You are supposed to "pin" the delegate so that the GC doesn't move it around.
The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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Update: I killed it. It took me the better part of the day to get it right, and then get advanced with how i was using it, and then integrate that into the projects that go with the library but it's done. Woo. Changed the way I was doing interop somewhat, and it's more complicated now but it still works - although perf could be slightly improved (does two HGlobal allocs where it could in theory use one) I sometimes really can't stand managed code. I've got a MIDI callback I'm using while streaming playback, and it's supposed to notify me when the stream needs more data. It forwards that callback to an event off of my MidiStream object Well, it does that fine, and in the console app i wrote it has no problem feeding more data to the stream each time. I had been working on it all night, and finally thought I had it licked. In a windows forms app on the the other hand, it works for awhile, and then randomly crashes because for some reason the delegate that handles the callback has been garbage collected. I have no idea why. It never should have been and doesn't appear to go out of scope anywhere. Worse, I can't even catch the crash in the debugger - it just exits entirely without so much as an error message I'm at a loss, and I can't release with this stability issue. I miss C and C++ right about now. :(
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.net - Call has been made on garbage collected delegate in C#? - Stack Overflow[^] first result from Google. hope this helps, not holding my breath. :thumbsup:
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You are supposed to "pin" the delegate so that the GC doesn't move it around.
The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.
you know what? I thought I had taken care of that but you just reminded me of a spot where I missed it. I use StructureToPtr in what area to package the return as a handle instead of a struct by ref (which is what i need) that way I can pass it around without it being copied. I suppose I could rewrite that as a class, but then i have to pass around the actual structure and break encapsulation. :( Either way, thank you. I think you just led me to the problem.
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.net - Call has been made on garbage collected delegate in C#? - Stack Overflow[^] first result from Google. hope this helps, not holding my breath. :thumbsup:
it didn't help but another commenter reminded me of something i did that could have caused it. I have to retool some code
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you know what? I thought I had taken care of that but you just reminded me of a spot where I missed it. I use StructureToPtr in what area to package the return as a handle instead of a struct by ref (which is what i need) that way I can pass it around without it being copied. I suppose I could rewrite that as a class, but then i have to pass around the actual structure and break encapsulation. :( Either way, thank you. I think you just led me to the problem.
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I hope you weren't too far along in porting the whole thing to C++. :-D
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I hope you weren't too far along in porting the whole thing to C++. :-D
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hah, nah and I got it working. I still have a memory leak but it should go away when I refactor
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Update: I killed it. It took me the better part of the day to get it right, and then get advanced with how i was using it, and then integrate that into the projects that go with the library but it's done. Woo. Changed the way I was doing interop somewhat, and it's more complicated now but it still works - although perf could be slightly improved (does two HGlobal allocs where it could in theory use one) I sometimes really can't stand managed code. I've got a MIDI callback I'm using while streaming playback, and it's supposed to notify me when the stream needs more data. It forwards that callback to an event off of my MidiStream object Well, it does that fine, and in the console app i wrote it has no problem feeding more data to the stream each time. I had been working on it all night, and finally thought I had it licked. In a windows forms app on the the other hand, it works for awhile, and then randomly crashes because for some reason the delegate that handles the callback has been garbage collected. I have no idea why. It never should have been and doesn't appear to go out of scope anywhere. Worse, I can't even catch the crash in the debugger - it just exits entirely without so much as an error message I'm at a loss, and I can't release with this stability issue. I miss C and C++ right about now. :(
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I have the same-ish problem! :~ It's not garbage collected, but disposed. I'm reading some files and then process them. The processing takes a while, around 45 minutes. For the first 30 minutes everything goes well, but after 30 minutes I suddenly get an ObjectDisposedException from my Entity Framework Core context :~ I'm not disposing it and if I did, I'd expect it to blow well before 30 minutes since it's a loop. I'm not aware of any automatic disposes, but 30 minutes sounds like some timeout setting. While writing this I'm thinking of something that could be the problem... :D
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I have the same-ish problem! :~ It's not garbage collected, but disposed. I'm reading some files and then process them. The processing takes a while, around 45 minutes. For the first 30 minutes everything goes well, but after 30 minutes I suddenly get an ObjectDisposedException from my Entity Framework Core context :~ I'm not disposing it and if I did, I'd expect it to blow well before 30 minutes since it's a loop. I'm not aware of any automatic disposes, but 30 minutes sounds like some timeout setting. While writing this I'm thinking of something that could be the problem... :D
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Ouch! Good luck!
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I have the same-ish problem! :~ It's not garbage collected, but disposed. I'm reading some files and then process them. The processing takes a while, around 45 minutes. For the first 30 minutes everything goes well, but after 30 minutes I suddenly get an ObjectDisposedException from my Entity Framework Core context :~ I'm not disposing it and if I did, I'd expect it to blow well before 30 minutes since it's a loop. I'm not aware of any automatic disposes, but 30 minutes sounds like some timeout setting. While writing this I'm thinking of something that could be the problem... :D
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Sander Rossel wrote:
While writing this I'm thinking of something that could be the problem...
Isn't your rubber duck listening today? :laugh:
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Sander Rossel wrote:
While writing this I'm thinking of something that could be the problem...
Isn't your rubber duck listening today? :laugh:
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A friend once asked the same, but made a typo. He ended up asked about my rubber d... Well, just check the letter next to "U" :laugh: Since then I can't read or hear "rubber duck" without thinking about it :~
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A friend once asked the same, but made a typo. He ended up asked about my rubber d... Well, just check the letter next to "U" :laugh: Since then I can't read or hear "rubber duck" without thinking about it :~
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If that's what you do to your rubber duck, no wonder it isn't listening. :laugh:
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Update: I killed it. It took me the better part of the day to get it right, and then get advanced with how i was using it, and then integrate that into the projects that go with the library but it's done. Woo. Changed the way I was doing interop somewhat, and it's more complicated now but it still works - although perf could be slightly improved (does two HGlobal allocs where it could in theory use one) I sometimes really can't stand managed code. I've got a MIDI callback I'm using while streaming playback, and it's supposed to notify me when the stream needs more data. It forwards that callback to an event off of my MidiStream object Well, it does that fine, and in the console app i wrote it has no problem feeding more data to the stream each time. I had been working on it all night, and finally thought I had it licked. In a windows forms app on the the other hand, it works for awhile, and then randomly crashes because for some reason the delegate that handles the callback has been garbage collected. I have no idea why. It never should have been and doesn't appear to go out of scope anywhere. Worse, I can't even catch the crash in the debugger - it just exits entirely without so much as an error message I'm at a loss, and I can't release with this stability issue. I miss C and C++ right about now. :(
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We had similar(-ish, but the opposite way round) problems with the JVM's GC, while interfacing it to a COM component we needed to use. Instead of releasing objects before we wanted, the GC was holding onto COM reference wrapper objects long after their lifetime was over (because the objects were small, so the GC wasn't experiencing any memory pressure). This meant that the actual COM objects weren't being released, so were exhausting memory outside of the JVM :-/ GC works fine for memory allocated and used solely within the containing virtual machine environment - anything slightly more complex, and you're dicing with death (of your hopes and dreams).
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We had similar(-ish, but the opposite way round) problems with the JVM's GC, while interfacing it to a COM component we needed to use. Instead of releasing objects before we wanted, the GC was holding onto COM reference wrapper objects long after their lifetime was over (because the objects were small, so the GC wasn't experiencing any memory pressure). This meant that the actual COM objects weren't being released, so were exhausting memory outside of the JVM :-/ GC works fine for memory allocated and used solely within the containing virtual machine environment - anything slightly more complex, and you're dicing with death (of your hopes and dreams).
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I've run into the same problem as you before. The solution is to marshal the objects as IntPtrs, and manually release them when you're done, if I recall correctly. That way you control the lifetime explicitly. It makes things easier. I solved the problem with my MIDI code in the OP, and then improved on it several times :-D to make it more efficient and easier to read the code. Now in my entire streaming codebase i only have one win32 global heap allocation that happens once you open a device, until you close it. I've taken to marshalling all structs as
ref (struct)except for a very complicated vector of variable length structs which I have to mangle manually. So it's golden now, and even mostly easier to read and maintain when I'm done. Cool beans.Real programmers use butterflies
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I've run into the same problem as you before. The solution is to marshal the objects as IntPtrs, and manually release them when you're done, if I recall correctly. That way you control the lifetime explicitly. It makes things easier. I solved the problem with my MIDI code in the OP, and then improved on it several times :-D to make it more efficient and easier to read the code. Now in my entire streaming codebase i only have one win32 global heap allocation that happens once you open a device, until you close it. I've taken to marshalling all structs as
ref (struct)except for a very complicated vector of variable length structs which I have to mangle manually. So it's golden now, and even mostly easier to read and maintain when I'm done. Cool beans.Real programmers use butterflies
I did it slightly differently - I wrote a class to implement something like an [Objective-C autorelease pool](https://www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=1806938&seqNum=7), which our COM object wrappers added themselves to automatically. The pool was released in a [`finally` block](https://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/essential/exceptions/finally.html) & that would release all the COM objects that had been allocated and finished - something like this... ```java AutoReleasePool.createPool(); // Push a new pool onto the stack of pools try { ... Do stuff ... } finally { AutoReleasePool.releasePool(); // Pop the top pool in the stack , releasing all the objects in it } ```
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I did it slightly differently - I wrote a class to implement something like an [Objective-C autorelease pool](https://www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=1806938&seqNum=7), which our COM object wrappers added themselves to automatically. The pool was released in a [`finally` block](https://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/essential/exceptions/finally.html) & that would release all the COM objects that had been allocated and finished - something like this... ```java AutoReleasePool.createPool(); // Push a new pool onto the stack of pools try { ... Do stuff ... } finally { AutoReleasePool.releasePool(); // Pop the top pool in the stack , releasing all the objects in it } ```
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that seems even more complicated, but you do you. I don't know the whole picture anyway so I'm just talking smack here. :laugh:
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