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  • L Lost User

    Hold your hands to your face and spit ... maybe that will tweak something.

    It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it. ― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food

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    ZurdoDev
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    Gerry Schmitz wrote:

    Hold your hands to your face and spit

    Oh my gosh. Can you imagine the freak-outs if someone did that in public? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

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      You misunderstood my point. Masks help. But they do not "work" as a solution, which many people have claimed masks are a solution.

      Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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      Lost User
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      ZurdoDev wrote:

      You misunderstood my point.

      Your original point was rather clear.

      ZurdoDev wrote:

      But they do not "work" as a solution, which many people have claimed masks are a solution.

      No one made that claim.

      Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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        Eddy Vluggen wrote:

        During surgery, the doctor wears a mask to protect you, not him.

        Sexist.

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        Lost User
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        :D Can be a female or futa too; not doing the pronoun game.

        Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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        • Z ZurdoDev

          Nearly every business seems to be requiring masks now but what I find interesting is that they are also enforcing social distancing rules as well. It seems that if you are saying we still need to stay away from each other even with masks on you're really saying that masks don't work. Too much emotion involved in so many decisions these days. #BringBackLogic

          Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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          W Balboos GHB
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          Aside from the first response (to which your reply served to demean you) - consider this. Not everyone wears the face mask; not everyone keeps their distance. It's like a try . . . do-not-catch block. Were it not for the unfortunate exchange between those who think about the welfare of others and those who only think about themselves, I'd be fully in favor of letting Darwin handle this.

          Ravings en masse^

          "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

          "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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          • Z ZurdoDev

            � Forogar � wrote:

            Exactly what? Are you saying because it doesn't work 100% of the time we shouldn't bother?

            No. I agreed. :laugh: :laugh: You people read too much into what I say. Stop adding your own bias in. My original point was that masks are not the "end-all" that many have claimed they were. And to enforce social distancing proves that masks aren't the "end-all". That's all.

            � Forogar � wrote:

            stay at home

            We had a coworker come to work for an entire day with symptoms. Her manager finally realized it and sent her home. She tested positive. No one else in the office got it even though she likely had it on her for at least a couple of days. On a scale of 1-10 of apocolyptic viruses, this thing is a 2. It's just not as bad as everyone wants to make it. If people are freaking out this much about a 2, what will happen when we have a 7 or 8? People will die just from anxiety. :doh:

            Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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            Forogar
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            Quote:

            No one else in the office got it

            Cube walls are amazingly absorbent!

            - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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              � Forogar � wrote:

              Exactly what? Are you saying because it doesn't work 100% of the time we shouldn't bother?

              No. I agreed. :laugh: :laugh: You people read too much into what I say. Stop adding your own bias in. My original point was that masks are not the "end-all" that many have claimed they were. And to enforce social distancing proves that masks aren't the "end-all". That's all.

              � Forogar � wrote:

              stay at home

              We had a coworker come to work for an entire day with symptoms. Her manager finally realized it and sent her home. She tested positive. No one else in the office got it even though she likely had it on her for at least a couple of days. On a scale of 1-10 of apocolyptic viruses, this thing is a 2. It's just not as bad as everyone wants to make it. If people are freaking out this much about a 2, what will happen when we have a 7 or 8? People will die just from anxiety. :doh:

              Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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              David Crow
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              ZurdoDev wrote:

              On a scale of 1-10 of apocolyptic viruses, this thing is a 2.

              Says who? Using what metrics?

              "One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson

              "Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons

              "You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles

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              • Z ZurdoDev

                Nearly every business seems to be requiring masks now but what I find interesting is that they are also enforcing social distancing rules as well. It seems that if you are saying we still need to stay away from each other even with masks on you're really saying that masks don't work. Too much emotion involved in so many decisions these days. #BringBackLogic

                Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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                dandy72
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                I was invited to a restaurant yesterday morning for breakfast. There were 4 of us at a table. There wasn't 6 feet between the chairs. And nobody ate with a mask on. To follow your train of thought: I've noticed some people were using hand sanitizer on their way out. What message does this send...?

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                • Z ZurdoDev

                  Nearly every business seems to be requiring masks now but what I find interesting is that they are also enforcing social distancing rules as well. It seems that if you are saying we still need to stay away from each other even with masks on you're really saying that masks don't work. Too much emotion involved in so many decisions these days. #BringBackLogic

                  Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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                  dandy72
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                  ZurdoDev wrote:

                  Too much emotion involved in so many decisions these days. #BringBackLogic

                  SARS, MERS, avian flu, swine flu, all their yearly variations...somehow we've made it this far. The difference now is that nobody has a backbone anymore, and nobody wants to be held accountable. If you're instructed by politicians to follow guidelines, and you don't, then it's on you if someone gets infected - they're off the hook, so they're happy. That's why we're doing this. Mark my words, we'll be seeing entire generations of people with [weaker immunity systems than their forbearers](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X29lF43mUlo).

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                  • L Lost User

                    ZurdoDev wrote:

                    You misunderstood my point.

                    Your original point was rather clear.

                    ZurdoDev wrote:

                    But they do not "work" as a solution, which many people have claimed masks are a solution.

                    No one made that claim.

                    Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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                    ZurdoDev
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                    Eddy Vluggen wrote:

                    Your original point was rather clear.

                    I don't think you understood it. I wonder if you can repeat it back in your own words, just to show that you did understand it.

                    Eddy Vluggen wrote:

                    No one made that claim.

                    Tons of people have made that claim. Not sure where you have been.

                    Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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                      Quote:

                      No one else in the office got it

                      Cube walls are amazingly absorbent!

                      - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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                      ZurdoDev
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                      #46

                      � Forogar � wrote:

                      Cube walls are amazingly absorbent

                      Possibly, but they are in an open office area. ;)

                      Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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                      • W W Balboos GHB

                        Aside from the first response (to which your reply served to demean you) - consider this. Not everyone wears the face mask; not everyone keeps their distance. It's like a try . . . do-not-catch block. Were it not for the unfortunate exchange between those who think about the welfare of others and those who only think about themselves, I'd be fully in favor of letting Darwin handle this.

                        Ravings en masse^

                        "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                        "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                        ZurdoDev
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                        W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote:

                        o which your reply served to demean you

                        How so?

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                        • D David Crow

                          ZurdoDev wrote:

                          On a scale of 1-10 of apocolyptic viruses, this thing is a 2.

                          Says who? Using what metrics?

                          "One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson

                          "Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons

                          "You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles

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                          ZurdoDev
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                          David Crow wrote:

                          Says who? Using what metrics?

                          Me and my brain. I'm open to debate though.

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                            I was invited to a restaurant yesterday morning for breakfast. There were 4 of us at a table. There wasn't 6 feet between the chairs. And nobody ate with a mask on. To follow your train of thought: I've noticed some people were using hand sanitizer on their way out. What message does this send...?

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                            ZurdoDev
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                            dandy72 wrote:

                            on their way out. What message does this send...?

                            There are crazies everywhere. :laugh:

                            Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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                              ZurdoDev wrote:

                              Too much emotion involved in so many decisions these days. #BringBackLogic

                              SARS, MERS, avian flu, swine flu, all their yearly variations...somehow we've made it this far. The difference now is that nobody has a backbone anymore, and nobody wants to be held accountable. If you're instructed by politicians to follow guidelines, and you don't, then it's on you if someone gets infected - they're off the hook, so they're happy. That's why we're doing this. Mark my words, we'll be seeing entire generations of people with [weaker immunity systems than their forbearers](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X29lF43mUlo).

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                              ZurdoDev
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                              Bingo! :thumbsup:

                              Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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                              • Z ZurdoDev

                                W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote:

                                o which your reply served to demean you

                                How so?

                                Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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                                W Balboos GHB
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                                Somewhat of a pretense that it wasn't parallel enough. No point to it - certainly it did nothing to enhance your original premise or the response. Basically, as if you were hoping to find some technicality by which you could (pretend) to write the whole reply off. Beware - this could well become a pattern.

                                Ravings en masse^

                                "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                                "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                                  Somewhat of a pretense that it wasn't parallel enough. No point to it - certainly it did nothing to enhance your original premise or the response. Basically, as if you were hoping to find some technicality by which you could (pretend) to write the whole reply off. Beware - this could well become a pattern.

                                  Ravings en masse^

                                  "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                                  "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                                  ZurdoDev
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                                  You are either responding to the wrong threads or totally misunderstanding. I'll let you decide.

                                  Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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                                    Eddy Vluggen wrote:

                                    Your original point was rather clear.

                                    I don't think you understood it. I wonder if you can repeat it back in your own words, just to show that you did understand it.

                                    Eddy Vluggen wrote:

                                    No one made that claim.

                                    Tons of people have made that claim. Not sure where you have been.

                                    Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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                                    David Crow
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                                    ZurdoDev wrote:

                                    Tons of people have made that claim.

                                    Who are these people? Not once in four months have I seen/heard such a claim. Maybe you saw it on the internet and took it as fact?

                                    "One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson

                                    "Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons

                                    "You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles

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                                      ZurdoDev wrote:

                                      Tons of people have made that claim.

                                      Who are these people? Not once in four months have I seen/heard such a claim. Maybe you saw it on the internet and took it as fact?

                                      "One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson

                                      "Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons

                                      "You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles

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                                      ZurdoDev
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                                      Search the forum for the word tantamount and you'll see a fellow CP member claiming that not wearing one is the same as murder.

                                      Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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                                      • Z ZurdoDev

                                        � Forogar � wrote:

                                        Exactly what? Are you saying because it doesn't work 100% of the time we shouldn't bother?

                                        No. I agreed. :laugh: :laugh: You people read too much into what I say. Stop adding your own bias in. My original point was that masks are not the "end-all" that many have claimed they were. And to enforce social distancing proves that masks aren't the "end-all". That's all.

                                        � Forogar � wrote:

                                        stay at home

                                        We had a coworker come to work for an entire day with symptoms. Her manager finally realized it and sent her home. She tested positive. No one else in the office got it even though she likely had it on her for at least a couple of days. On a scale of 1-10 of apocolyptic viruses, this thing is a 2. It's just not as bad as everyone wants to make it. If people are freaking out this much about a 2, what will happen when we have a 7 or 8? People will die just from anxiety. :doh:

                                        Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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                                        Nelek
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                                        ZurdoDev wrote:

                                        No. I agreed.

                                        Then you should have said: "Agree"

                                        ZurdoDev wrote:

                                        You people read too much into what I say. Stop adding your own bias in.

                                        As you would have never used the "exactly" just in the other way around, to remark your point instead of agreeing with someone. ;) Don't forget we are programmers and we don't have the visual communication. Words might be way too vague depending on the context.

                                        M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                                          ZurdoDev wrote:

                                          No. I agreed.

                                          Then you should have said: "Agree"

                                          ZurdoDev wrote:

                                          You people read too much into what I say. Stop adding your own bias in.

                                          As you would have never used the "exactly" just in the other way around, to remark your point instead of agreeing with someone. ;) Don't forget we are programmers and we don't have the visual communication. Words might be way too vague depending on the context.

                                          M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                                          ZurdoDev
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                                          Nelek wrote:

                                          Words might be way too vague depending on the context.

                                          definitely true.

                                          Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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