Covid versions - NOT POLITICAL (I promise)
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ZurdoDev wrote:
TDS leftist.
Oh my - we have a label - and since you don't like reality you know it must be manufactured by "the LEFT" !
ZurdoDev wrote:
you are so wrong and don't know anything about me yet pretend to know so much.
Here, as you almost invariably are, you are wrong yet again. I know a lot about you - as do others who read your posts: for you define yourself with each of them. No one gives a flying fuck what you think yourself to be in your own imaginings. You are who you show yourself to be. So stop that worn out and preposterous whine of me (or anyone elsed) not knowing anything about you.
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You are a funny old man.
W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote:
not knowing anything about you.
Then prove it. List some things you know about me.
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You are a funny old man.
W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote:
not knowing anything about you.
Then prove it. List some things you know about me.
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
Total Synopsis: Right wing TROLL wallowing in cherry-picked ignorance Yeah - that about sums it up.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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Total Synopsis: Right wing TROLL wallowing in cherry-picked ignorance Yeah - that about sums it up.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
I accept your surrender. You're all talk bud. Wrong every time you respond to me. Not even in the ballpark. But the fact that you go crazy each time I disagree with you proves my original point. Again and again. Have a good day.
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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It seems you're right, I stand corrected :omg: Netherlands 4.9%, Belgium 8.1%, UK 9%, Italy 11.2%... US only 2.8%. I wonder what causes these differences. But I'm pretty sure it's despite obesity and not because. Part of it is average age, like Italy has lots of old folk where the US population is considerably younger on average. And of course testing capacity, less testing is a higher mortality rate. On the other hand, US accounts for about 21% of global deaths while only having 4.25% of the world population...
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Find the figures that suits you best, and promote those as The One To Focus On. Deaths per million population - Worldometers as of this morning: USA: 647 Netherlands: 376 Belgium: 867 UK: 623 Italy: 595 Cases per million population: USA: 23,037 Netherlands: 7,926 Belgium: 11,224 UK: 7,399 Italy: 5,383 So USA has far more cases, which is bad in isolation. But it gives you a big number to divide the death count by, giving a more favorable impression of the mortality rate. Deaths divided by cases (as of Worldometers figures today): USA: 2.8% Netherlands: 4.7% Belgium: 7.7% UK: 8.4% Italy: 11% We can stop there. But hold on a second... This assumes that all covid cases are detected in the countries we look at - or at least that the percentage of cases detected is reasonable similar. You detect cases by testing. Tests per million population: USA: 336,253 Netherlands: 142,875 Belgium: 293,269 UK: 368,471 Italy: 194,977 So USA has tested 135% more than the Netherlands, 15% more than Belgium, actually 9% less than UK, and 72% more than Italy. It was suggested to reduce the amount of testing, to keep the case sount down - if that logic holds water, we might assume that there are in fact lots of unreported cases, especally in the Netherlands and Italy. The divisor in the "Deaths / cases" calculation may in fact be significantly higher, bringing the mortailty rate significantly down, for these countries. Whether or not this "correction" should be applied also depends on what qualifies you for being tested, which is not necessarily the same in all countries. Some places, anyone who wants to, whether having symptoms or not, are tested. In other countries (especially in the early stages of the spreading of the virus), testing was - due to limited capacity - restricted to those in the "high risk groups" and those showing symptoms. Or, if you in one area (city, state) have a large outbreak, you may start widespread testing there, leaving other areas less tested. All such differences strongly affect how many covid cases are discovered, and how many go unregistred. So let us see how effective the testing is, looking at number of cases detected per test: USA: 0.068 Netherlands: 0.018 Belgium: 0.026 UK: 0.050 Italy: 0.036 On possible observation from this is that USA is a lot better at "finding" covid cases, bringing up the case count (i.e. the divisor in the mortality calculation). It could be that there are just as many cases in other countries,
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Find the figures that suits you best, and promote those as The One To Focus On. Deaths per million population - Worldometers as of this morning: USA: 647 Netherlands: 376 Belgium: 867 UK: 623 Italy: 595 Cases per million population: USA: 23,037 Netherlands: 7,926 Belgium: 11,224 UK: 7,399 Italy: 5,383 So USA has far more cases, which is bad in isolation. But it gives you a big number to divide the death count by, giving a more favorable impression of the mortality rate. Deaths divided by cases (as of Worldometers figures today): USA: 2.8% Netherlands: 4.7% Belgium: 7.7% UK: 8.4% Italy: 11% We can stop there. But hold on a second... This assumes that all covid cases are detected in the countries we look at - or at least that the percentage of cases detected is reasonable similar. You detect cases by testing. Tests per million population: USA: 336,253 Netherlands: 142,875 Belgium: 293,269 UK: 368,471 Italy: 194,977 So USA has tested 135% more than the Netherlands, 15% more than Belgium, actually 9% less than UK, and 72% more than Italy. It was suggested to reduce the amount of testing, to keep the case sount down - if that logic holds water, we might assume that there are in fact lots of unreported cases, especally in the Netherlands and Italy. The divisor in the "Deaths / cases" calculation may in fact be significantly higher, bringing the mortailty rate significantly down, for these countries. Whether or not this "correction" should be applied also depends on what qualifies you for being tested, which is not necessarily the same in all countries. Some places, anyone who wants to, whether having symptoms or not, are tested. In other countries (especially in the early stages of the spreading of the virus), testing was - due to limited capacity - restricted to those in the "high risk groups" and those showing symptoms. Or, if you in one area (city, state) have a large outbreak, you may start widespread testing there, leaving other areas less tested. All such differences strongly affect how many covid cases are discovered, and how many go unregistred. So let us see how effective the testing is, looking at number of cases detected per test: USA: 0.068 Netherlands: 0.018 Belgium: 0.026 UK: 0.050 Italy: 0.036 On possible observation from this is that USA is a lot better at "finding" covid cases, bringing up the case count (i.e. the divisor in the mortality calculation). It could be that there are just as many cases in other countries,
And if all else fails I'll just say I don't trust our governments. My government boosts the numbers to make us scared and keep us in check. Your government reports less numbers to look better. Now try and fact check that! :laugh: I'm joking, but there are plenty of people who do exactly this and they're not :sigh:
trønderen wrote:
There are so many numbers for us to juggle, and so large variations in national conditions (and they have changed a lot since March, at different rate in different countries) that you will always be able to find figures to support your case.
Completely agree there!
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No - not the self appointed ones. We're talking patronage and cronyism. For example, in the US, today, the appointed head(s) of some governmental departments are people who spent their careers fighting that(those) departments. Progress rolled back to increase profits. Public good and long term planning be damned.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
I'm not sure what is worse. What you describe or people who get in there and treat it as their little fiefdom / kingdom and act as if they are GOD himself.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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I'm not sure what is worse. What you describe or people who get in there and treat it as their little fiefdom / kingdom and act as if they are GOD himself.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
Actually, what you say is part of the story. Sometimes in the background - in the view of supporters without the need to say it outright by the leader. Basically, though, when someone keeps declaring themselves and their deeds as "Perfect" - we can tend to think the implication of deity is there. Somehow a mixture of "1984" double-think and that "Cult of Personality" song have moved in on us - supported by that staunch and every ready defender of the all that is good: "The Armies of the Stupid Faithful Stupid Faithful . . . "
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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Total Synopsis: Right wing TROLL wallowing in cherry-picked ignorance Yeah - that about sums it up.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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Never argue with a fool - observers may not be able to tell the difference.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
I was feeling a bit biblical this AM. "Answer a fool according to his follie, lest he be wise in his own conceit." I mean, really, if we ignored him and he left the site, who'd we have to laugh at on such a regular basis?
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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I was feeling a bit biblical this AM. "Answer a fool according to his follie, lest he be wise in his own conceit." I mean, really, if we ignored him and he left the site, who'd we have to laugh at on such a regular basis?
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
