What's wrong with Java?
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Both just a couple of cheap knockoffs of "C".
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I don't understand the snarky comments one sees about Java. :confused: I am well versed in programming both in C# (Visual Studio 2019) and JavaFx (IntelliJ IDE). I enjoy both equally. There must be something wrong with me! :sigh: :laugh:
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All programming languages are just variations on the theme we know as "assembly language".
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Both just a couple of cheap knockoffs of "C".
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
Or expensive knockoffs of C++, which is an expensive knockoff of C.
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I don't understand the snarky comments one sees about Java. :confused: I am well versed in programming both in C# (Visual Studio 2019) and JavaFx (IntelliJ IDE). I enjoy both equally. There must be something wrong with me! :sigh: :laugh:
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From my perspective, that it doesn't let you control things the way C++ does, particularly memory. Other than that, I don't have any issues with it, although I don't know it very well.
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Both C# and Java see so much further, because they stand on the shoulders of C! :)
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Alas, they seem to spend too much time looking down and contemplating their own navals. The lucky ones see belly-button LINT. (The rest of the time just awaiting the next upgrade and amazing new features they could never have done without)
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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I don't understand the snarky comments one sees about Java. :confused: I am well versed in programming both in C# (Visual Studio 2019) and JavaFx (IntelliJ IDE). I enjoy both equally. There must be something wrong with me! :sigh: :laugh:
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
It's like the ongoing dispute between Nikon and Canon users as to which is best. They are both excellent cameras it's just a matter of preference...but Nikon is way better. :)
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I don't understand the snarky comments one sees about Java. :confused: I am well versed in programming both in C# (Visual Studio 2019) and JavaFx (IntelliJ IDE). I enjoy both equally. There must be something wrong with me! :sigh: :laugh:
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
enforcement of byte order. clunky base runtimes. a template engine that is source level so *could* be as powerful as C++'s and better than C#s but sadly, isn't. and personally, it just feels stifling somehow. i find myself getting into "the zone" in C# much more quickly than java, and staying there longer. I think part of it is the tools. Vstudio is just great though i've never used intelliJ. Eclipse is garbage, IMO. it always crashes on me if i try to use extensions, and it feels open source - designed by 100 different people. so i think a big part for me is the tools. If it weren't for all that, I'd probably prefer it to C# simply because of the amount of "cool code" or otherwise code or libraries I could have found very useful but were java only.
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I don't understand the snarky comments one sees about Java. :confused: I am well versed in programming both in C# (Visual Studio 2019) and JavaFx (IntelliJ IDE). I enjoy both equally. There must be something wrong with me! :sigh: :laugh:
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
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It's like the ongoing dispute between Nikon and Canon users as to which is best. They are both excellent cameras it's just a matter of preference...but Nikon is way better. :)
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enforcement of byte order. clunky base runtimes. a template engine that is source level so *could* be as powerful as C++'s and better than C#s but sadly, isn't. and personally, it just feels stifling somehow. i find myself getting into "the zone" in C# much more quickly than java, and staying there longer. I think part of it is the tools. Vstudio is just great though i've never used intelliJ. Eclipse is garbage, IMO. it always crashes on me if i try to use extensions, and it feels open source - designed by 100 different people. so i think a big part for me is the tools. If it weren't for all that, I'd probably prefer it to C# simply because of the amount of "cool code" or otherwise code or libraries I could have found very useful but were java only.
Real programmers use butterflies
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so i think a big part for me is the tools
I started out using Eclipse, but then I noticed many Java developers were switching to IntelliJ. Then I switched to IntelliJ. I will never go back to Eclipse. Try IntelliJ if you ever again need to do some JavaFX.
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You realize this thread is not about cameras? :laugh: Sorry - just messing with you!
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It's like the ongoing dispute between Nikon and Canon users as to which is best. They are both excellent cameras it's just a matter of preference...but Nikon is way better. :)
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Nikon is unusable. Pentax is the only true path.
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I don't understand the snarky comments one sees about Java. :confused: I am well versed in programming both in C# (Visual Studio 2019) and JavaFx (IntelliJ IDE). I enjoy both equally. There must be something wrong with me! :sigh: :laugh:
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
There are two main issues to me: 1) versioning -- difficult to know which version to run and what functionality I will have -- this is especially after Oracle took over and then it split even more with the OpenJDK and all that nonsense. It's quite difficult. Along with versioning it is difficult to find tools that feel like they are "official". For instance, I am attempting to use JCov (java coverage tool) and it is supposed to be the "official" but very poorly or not documented at all. 2) UI Framework - Oh boy. I remember the original was something like AWT, right? Then JavaFX (but never caught on fully). 3rd party stuff, and controls that are instantly recognizable that they weren't Windows controls. It was all so confusing and there were better options (C#, Visual Studio and MFC, etc). 3) Java Applets they used applets to introduce Java and it was supposed to be gee-whiz. I was like, "a plugin...?? that fails a lot in my browser...?? and needs to be updated constantly...??? which MS doesn't like to support ???" That intro to Java kind of killed it. After that it felt like a slow cumbersome thing with no direct line to components without lots of management. So, over to C#, which was easy. Much of this isn't "fair" to Java, but it is the perception.
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so i think a big part for me is the tools
I started out using Eclipse, but then I noticed many Java developers were switching to IntelliJ. Then I switched to IntelliJ. I will never go back to Eclipse. Try IntelliJ if you ever again need to do some JavaFX.
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
Yes, the IDE being Eclipse also made Java a troublesome uptake. Very good point. I started doing Android early on and it was Eclipse-based and it drained all of the happy-happy new energy of a new development platform (Android) and I ran away. Then, they went to Android Studio (intellij) and it was YESS!!!!!!!
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Nikon is unusable. Pentax is the only true path.
Nay brother let me lead you to the true path of enlightenment. Nikon shall set you free and with your purchase of a new lens you shall receive the blessing of the shutter gods.
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I don't understand the snarky comments one sees about Java. :confused: I am well versed in programming both in C# (Visual Studio 2019) and JavaFx (IntelliJ IDE). I enjoy both equally. There must be something wrong with me! :sigh: :laugh:
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
Tribalism, innit.
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Nay brother let me lead you to the true path of enlightenment. Nikon shall set you free and with your purchase of a new lens you shall receive the blessing of the shutter gods.
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Uuuhhh... I have no lenses younger than about twenty years -- and some closer to seventy. My latest camera purchase is a Kodak Vigilant Six-20 (circa 1940). Lately I've been playing with a 4x5 monorail camera from the '60s. I say again, Nikon is unusable -- except maybe by wrong-handed practitioners (like my brother). Having said that, Nikon does make good point-and-shoot cameras, my wife is on her third.
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Uuuhhh... I have no lenses younger than about twenty years -- and some closer to seventy. My latest camera purchase is a Kodak Vigilant Six-20 (circa 1940). Lately I've been playing with a 4x5 monorail camera from the '60s. I say again, Nikon is unusable -- except maybe by wrong-handed practitioners (like my brother). Having said that, Nikon does make good point-and-shoot cameras, my wife is on her third.
:laugh: I give...
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Uuuhhh... I have no lenses younger than about twenty years -- and some closer to seventy. My latest camera purchase is a Kodak Vigilant Six-20 (circa 1940). Lately I've been playing with a 4x5 monorail camera from the '60s. I say again, Nikon is unusable -- except maybe by wrong-handed practitioners (like my brother). Having said that, Nikon does make good point-and-shoot cameras, my wife is on her third.
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I have no lenses younger than about twenty years -- and some closer to seventy.
I held on to silver photography quite long; we had entered the third millennium before I got my first digital SLR, and went from lenses of the 1980s to lenses of the early 2000s. I had one major surprise: The 20 years newer lenses had dramatically improved anti-reflex coating. With my old lenses, I always had to be careful with backlight, or the picture would be completely washed out. With newer lenses, you can more or less point the camera directly at the sun! (But not for long, or it will burn your sensor!) Lenses you buy today have another great improvement: If you in the 1980s showed up with a 600 mm f/6.7 lens, weight 430 grams, about 12 cm long, people would have refused to believe it. My most recent buy is even more than a 600 mm lens, it is a 4x zoom, 150-600 mm. Or ... It is not, it is a 75-300 mm MFT lens. But if you dig up lens test result from the 1980s and earlier, comparing resolution, contrast and sharpness to modern lenses, you may be in for a surprise. There is one area where I sort of miss an old quality: Mechanical. Affordable lenses, sold to photo amateurs like me, have a touch and feeling reflecting the use of plastics. They feel plastic. Not solid, not smooth, the way the old metal stuff felt. (And that is a major reason why they are as lightweight as they are.) I know that I could go for professional lenses at triple the cost, but I am not that active as a photographer.
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All programming languages are just variations on the theme we know as "assembly language".
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
