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  • W W Balboos GHB

    Member 15092515 wrote:

    On the other hand: Is it really worth to discuss such little things?

    You're absolutely correct. Let's discuss this, instead: if (condition) { return; } else { // Do something else }

    Ravings en masse^

    "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

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    Lost User
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    #11

    Ah ok I see you have a problem with 'if ... else' ;P [Edit] Is see in your profile "In real life, a research chemist." Yep, better stop programming. This because programming follow strict rules while chemistry has only exceptions ;P

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    • C Chris Maunder

      Your rewrite is how it should be done. Now get off my lawn.

      cheers Chris Maunder

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      PIEBALDconsult
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      #12

      Is snot.

      if ( !condition )
      {
      // Do something else
      }

      return ;

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      • C Chris Maunder

        Your rewrite is how it should be done. Now get off my lawn.

        cheers Chris Maunder

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        NotTodayYo
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        #13

        Chris Maunder wrote:

        Your rewrite is how it should be done.

        Why? It's not as clear as to what the code will do. Plus, returning from inside an if is bad form.

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        • F Forogar

          Obviously it should have been:

          if (!condition)
          {
          // Do something else
          }
          else
          {
          return;
          }

          :cool:

          - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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          Mike Hankey
          wrote on last edited by
          #14

          Got it before I did! :)

          The less you need, the more you have. JaxCoder.com

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          • C Chris Maunder

            if (condition)
            {
            return;
            }
            else
            {
            // Do something else
            }

            cheers Chris Maunder

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            Maximilien
            wrote on last edited by
            #15

            when you refactor some code and are too afraid to remove else clauses.

            I'd rather be phishing!

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            • C Chris Maunder

              if (condition)
              {
              return;
              }
              else
              {
              // Do something else
              }

              cheers Chris Maunder

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              realJSOP
              wrote on last edited by
              #16

              I like single exit points... That code would drive me nuts too...

              ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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              • N NotTodayYo

                Chris Maunder wrote:

                Your rewrite is how it should be done.

                Why? It's not as clear as to what the code will do. Plus, returning from inside an if is bad form.

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                Greg Utas
                wrote on last edited by
                #17

                What's wrong with returning from inside an if? The rule about only returning at the end of a function leads to convoluted code where a flag is repeatedly used to bypass stuff just to reach the end of the function. Pure dross.

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                • C Chris Maunder

                  if (condition)
                  {
                  return;
                  }
                  else
                  {
                  // Do something else
                  }

                  cheers Chris Maunder

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                  Sander Rossel
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #18

                  No religion in the lounge! ;p

                  Best, Sander Azure DevOps Succinctly (free eBook) Azure Serverless Succinctly (free eBook) Migrating Apps to the Cloud with Azure arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript

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                  • P PIEBALDconsult

                    Is snot.

                    if ( !condition )
                    {
                    // Do something else
                    }

                    return ;

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                    Mike Hankey
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #19

                    I believe to be totally proper it should be;

                    if ( !condition )
                    {
                    // Do something else
                    return;
                    }

                    return ;

                    The less you need, the more you have. JaxCoder.com

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                    • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                      No religion in the lounge! ;p

                      Best, Sander Azure DevOps Succinctly (free eBook) Azure Serverless Succinctly (free eBook) Migrating Apps to the Cloud with Azure arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript

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                      Lost User
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #20

                      hehe :thumbsup:

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                      • Mike HankeyM Mike Hankey

                        I believe to be totally proper it should be;

                        if ( !condition )
                        {
                        // Do something else
                        return;
                        }

                        return ;

                        The less you need, the more you have. JaxCoder.com

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                        PIEBALDconsult
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #21

                        If I had a lawn... :mad:

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                        • Greg UtasG Greg Utas

                          What's wrong with returning from inside an if? The rule about only returning at the end of a function leads to convoluted code where a flag is repeatedly used to bypass stuff just to reach the end of the function. Pure dross.

                          Robust Services Core | Software Techniques for Lemmings | Articles
                          The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.

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                          NotTodayYo
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                          #22

                          Greg Utas wrote:

                          The rule about only returning at the end of a function leads to convoluted code

                          As opposed to it not being clear when and where something can be returned.

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                          • P PIEBALDconsult

                            If I had a lawn... :mad:

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                            Mike Hankey
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #23

                            We have a saying here in the south; Hold my beer[^].

                            The less you need, the more you have. JaxCoder.com

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                            • L Lost User

                              I would never do it the same, but I can understand it as a hint and that is ok. Of course

                              if (condition) return;
                              // Do otherwhise

                              would be more appropriate On the other hand: Is it really worth to discuss such little things?

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                              Chris Maunder
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #24

                              You're asking if it's worth having a pointless whinge about something others do that's outside of one's control? What a silly question!

                              cheers Chris Maunder

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                              • realJSOPR realJSOP

                                I like single exit points... That code would drive me nuts too...

                                ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
                                -----
                                You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
                                -----
                                When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                                Chris Maunder
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #25

                                Bonus points to JSOP! I actually like having two exit points at most 1st at the very top if your initial sanity checks on input parameters fail. Get that out of the qay early 2nd at the very end of the routine.

                                cheers Chris Maunder

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                                  Bonus points to JSOP! I actually like having two exit points at most 1st at the very top if your initial sanity checks on input parameters fail. Get that out of the qay early 2nd at the very end of the routine.

                                  cheers Chris Maunder

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                                  Nelek
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                                  #26

                                  That's what I like too. If the function is something easy... just one return at the end. If the function is something normal size... what you said. If the function is big... I do a second function to "check all needed stuff" at the beginning and then what you said.

                                  M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                                  • Greg UtasG Greg Utas

                                    What's wrong with returning from inside an if? The rule about only returning at the end of a function leads to convoluted code where a flag is repeatedly used to bypass stuff just to reach the end of the function. Pure dross.

                                    Robust Services Core | Software Techniques for Lemmings | Articles
                                    The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.

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                                    Nelek
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                                    #27

                                    If the return is within an "check initialized stuff" at the beginning... nothing. If there are 3 or more returns... it might get so confusing / convoluted as having only one at the end.

                                    M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                                    • Greg UtasG Greg Utas

                                      What's wrong with returning from inside an if? The rule about only returning at the end of a function leads to convoluted code where a flag is repeatedly used to bypass stuff just to reach the end of the function. Pure dross.

                                      Robust Services Core | Software Techniques for Lemmings | Articles
                                      The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.

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                                      Rick York
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                                      #28

                                      If you have allocated anything that is not an automatic object that can be risky. I have dealt with a few customers who had explicit code-style prohibitions against multiple return statements. Given the rest of the nonsense we had to deal with from them that was pretty much ignored. I hated those SFBs so much I refuse to buy any of their products ever again. To give a clue, they used to be referred to as a purveyor of expensive ink.

                                      "They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"

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                                        Bonus points to JSOP! I actually like having two exit points at most 1st at the very top if your initial sanity checks on input parameters fail. Get that out of the qay early 2nd at the very end of the routine.

                                        cheers Chris Maunder

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                                        Rick York
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                                        #29

                                        I take a similar approach but I don't limit myself to just one return there. I let each sanity check have its own return statement because I find easier to deal with when debugging. Following the input sanitization I try to not have any returns unless a value is returned and then only at the bottom.

                                        "They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"

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                                        • N NotTodayYo

                                          Greg Utas wrote:

                                          The rule about only returning at the end of a function leads to convoluted code

                                          As opposed to it not being clear when and where something can be returned.

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                                          Greg Utas
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #30

                                          It's quite clear, right in the return statement. If the only return is at the end of the function, you have to find all the places that can set the returned value, and figure out whether that value survives to the end of the function or gets updated.

                                          Robust Services Core | Software Techniques for Lemmings | Articles
                                          The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.

                                          <p><a href="https://github.com/GregUtas/robust-services-core/blob/master/README.md">Robust Services Core</a>
                                          <em>The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.</em></p>

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