United States Heads Towards Legalization of Spam
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The problem is that spam email will (as it already does) severely overload the already struggling internet email system. I think it's time that someone remind the government that email is a communications tool between individuals, and was never intended to be a sales tool. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: The problem is that spam email will (as it already does) severely overload the already struggling internet email system. I'm not exactly sure how all this works, but if the email servers were to block the "ADV" items themselves (even before it was actually sent), wouldn't that prevent the congestion? John
"We want to be alone when we hear too many words and we feel alone when it has been a while since anyone has spoken to us." Paul David Tripp -- War of Words -
Mark my words, this is the worst thing to happen in the history of our industry. As soon as the governments start doing this, there will be no end to their desire to control content. The Internet will become the police state that many nations have been trying to create in physical reality for centuries. Cheers, Tom Archer, Inside C# Mainstream is just a word for the way things always have been -- just a middle-of-the-road, tow-the-line thing; a front for the Man serving up the same warmed-over slop he did yesterday and expecting you to say, "Thank you sir, may I have another?"
What did I miss in the article (or not in the article) that makes you say that? Wouldn't allowing spam be the reverse of a step taken toward a police state? John
"We want to be alone when we hear too many words and we feel alone when it has been a while since anyone has spoken to us." Paul David Tripp -- War of Words -
Paul's been incredibly sarcastic of late... i think someone may have let him watch TV. :suss:
Shog9
So much he don't understand, Just might never make it to a man...
Paul's been incredibly sarcastic of late Says the man who wants us to all consider the feelings of every single other CPian (even the lurkers*) and in the process turn CP into PC. At least we are getting bitter together Shog9. If I had a porch I would invite you around to shout at kids who came near our front-yard. * yes, you, post something damnit!
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChris Losinger wrote: i hate needles so much i can't even imagine allowing one near The Little Programmer
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You should email GWB, you two would hit it off. He might even let you join the Axis Of God Global Annihilation listserv. ;)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChris Losinger wrote: i hate needles so much i can't even imagine allowing one near The Little Programmer
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Actually, this is me on medication. :)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChris Losinger wrote: i hate needles so much i can't even imagine allowing one near The Little Programmer
Paul Watson wrote: Actually, this is me on medication. hmm, maybe you should take a little more... :P Matt Newman
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Paul's been incredibly sarcastic of late Says the man who wants us to all consider the feelings of every single other CPian (even the lurkers*) and in the process turn CP into PC. At least we are getting bitter together Shog9. If I had a porch I would invite you around to shout at kids who came near our front-yard. * yes, you, post something damnit!
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChris Losinger wrote: i hate needles so much i can't even imagine allowing one near The Little Programmer
Paul Watson wrote: If I had a porch I would invite you around to shout at kids who came near our front-yard. :-D My current goal in life is to become old and crippled, then spend all day sitting on a porch hitting passers-by with my cane... I've got the porch, all i need now is the age... and a cane.
Shog9
So much he don't understand, Just might never make it to a man...
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Of course, i had to try and load chrislosinger.cc... :rolleyes:
Shog9
So much he don't understand, Just might never make it to a man...
LOL I did not even think of that. I was just thinking cc as in closed corporation, not as in the web address. I wonder how much Chris would pay me for chrislosinger.cc... :~
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChris Losinger wrote: i hate needles so much i can't even imagine allowing one near The Little Programmer
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: The problem is that spam email will (as it already does) severely overload the already struggling internet email system. I'm not exactly sure how all this works, but if the email servers were to block the "ADV" items themselves (even before it was actually sent), wouldn't that prevent the congestion? John
"We want to be alone when we hear too many words and we feel alone when it has been a while since anyone has spoken to us." Paul David Tripp -- War of WordsStop it! Stop it! Your thinking again. This is dangerous. Just stop now before you ruin everything. :) --
"The money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its rule by preying upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is concentrated in a few hands and the Republic destroyed." -- Abraham Lincoln
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What did I miss in the article (or not in the article) that makes you say that? Wouldn't allowing spam be the reverse of a step taken toward a police state? John
"We want to be alone when we hear too many words and we feel alone when it has been a while since anyone has spoken to us." Paul David Tripp -- War of WordsSorry mate. I was referring to the push towards illigalization. I just wrote my post a little early for me and didn't complete my thought :-O Cheers, Tom Archer, Inside C# Mainstream is just a word for the way things always have been -- just a middle-of-the-road, tow-the-line thing; a front for the Man serving up the same warmed-over slop he did yesterday and expecting you to say, "Thank you sir, may I have another?"
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problem that most of Europe suffers from with over 90% of all spam hitting Europe being sent by American (mostly Florida-based) spammers. Is it just me or is Florida the cause of anti-Americanism? First they are the cause of boat-loads of old people visiting what is to them the World Theme Park (you know, Europe, Africa, Far East etc.) Second they duff up the election. And now thirdly we find out that when all those old folk are not touring the world they are running spam companies! Can't we put up a fence around Florida? Let the old-folk buses go in and but don't let anyone out.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChris Losinger wrote: i hate needles so much i can't even imagine allowing one near The Little Programmer
Paul Watson wrote: First they are the cause of boat-loads of old people visiting what is to them the World Theme Park (you know, Europe, Africa, Far East etc.) :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Man, I needed that! Thanks Paul!! :-D Cheers, Tom Archer, Inside C# Mainstream is just a word for the way things always have been -- just a middle-of-the-road, tow-the-line thing; a front for the Man serving up the same warmed-over slop he did yesterday and expecting you to say, "Thank you sir, may I have another?"
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This is allready done in Sweden :-( We Swedes are for spam .... NOT Ignorance and stupidity is mankinds best arguments. /Jarek He believed the commercials that said drink beer, get laid but at closin' time he was alone, he didn't get paid. Last night his lover was a razorblade.. "Dan Reed song Mix it up"
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: The problem is that spam email will (as it already does) severely overload the already struggling internet email system. I'm not exactly sure how all this works, but if the email servers were to block the "ADV" items themselves (even before it was actually sent), wouldn't that prevent the congestion? John
"We want to be alone when we hear too many words and we feel alone when it has been a while since anyone has spoken to us." Paul David Tripp -- War of WordsWhich server would block it? The first one? The last one? The middle one? Remember email often bounces about a bunch of different servers before it gets anywhere near your ISP's server. So which server needs to be told to block all email starting with ADV for your email address? The only practical server for that is the one you dial up to get your email. But by that time the email has already hammered it's way across the internet, taking up resources as it goes. So the only machine that the blocking will help is your own machine. And you can do that already anyway. That is why Europe is going for the opt in only approach. They stop the spammer from sending unsolicited email right off the bat. America seems to be trying to stop spam at the destination, rather than the source.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChris Losinger wrote: i hate needles so much i can't even imagine allowing one near The Little Programmer
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Paul Watson wrote: Actually, this is me on medication. hmm, maybe you should take a little more... :P Matt Newman
hmm, maybe you should take a little more.. Last time I did that I ended up posting The Jesus Does The Hokey Pokey joke. I can assure you that people will not look to kindly on anyone who encourages me to repeat that performance. :) Anyway, dried frog pills are damned expensive. Have to ship them all the way from Rimblocks Emporium in Ankhmorpork.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChris Losinger wrote: i hate needles so much i can't even imagine allowing one near The Little Programmer
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Paul Watson wrote: If I had a porch I would invite you around to shout at kids who came near our front-yard. :-D My current goal in life is to become old and crippled, then spend all day sitting on a porch hitting passers-by with my cane... I've got the porch, all i need now is the age... and a cane.
Shog9
So much he don't understand, Just might never make it to a man...
I don't feel like straining my brain too much, so I will just say the obvious; I'll do the crippling, where do you want it, base of spine or everything but the left side of your mouth and your right arm? ;) I just found out that you need Exchange 2000 Service Pack 3 before you can restore mailboxes backed up using Windows backup. I just found out we never got our Exchange 2000 Service Pack 3 disc in march. I just found out it is a 165MB download. I just remembered why so many of us die alone, covered in pizza, with keyboard imprints on our foreheads.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChris Losinger wrote: i hate needles so much i can't even imagine allowing one near The Little Programmer
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: The problem is that spam email will (as it already does) severely overload the already struggling internet email system. I'm not exactly sure how all this works, but if the email servers were to block the "ADV" items themselves (even before it was actually sent), wouldn't that prevent the congestion? John
"We want to be alone when we hear too many words and we feel alone when it has been a while since anyone has spoken to us." Paul David Tripp -- War of Words- Not all spam email uses the ADV keyword in the subject line. And I doubt "evil spammers" will if it was ever required. 2) It requires a considerable amount of CPU work to test if a subject contains the ADV keyword which is basically unauthorized CPU utilization. Today, many ISPs with any common sense uses tools to filter spam email. It still requires a lot of CPU power to analyze an email to see if it's spam or not. Far from all are nice enough to put ADV in the subject line. :/ Spamming should be a serious offence with high fines. That's the only way to quench the spamming bastards. -- Off to San Francisco in T minus (Sunday 15th - Today) days.
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I'm not surprised. Most American people are willing to give up a little freedom for the illusion and feeling of security.
.............Zack............. Developer Extraordinaire && Full Time Geek
"It's all about function over form. I mean, look at NASA. Their code isn't formatted correctly and their stuff looks crappy, but they'll get you to the moon." "And the geek shall inherit the earth..." GCS\P\SS d- s-:- a-- C++$ U--- P--- L- E- W++ N o K-? w+++ O++ !M-- V PS+ PE Y+ PGP t+ 5+ X+ R++ tv++ b++ DI++ D+++ G+>G++++ e* h- r++ y+
Not that I'm for this or anything (as it limits state's rights), but how does giving more freedom to small businesses, limit individual freedom? Zachery wrote: Most American people are willing to give up a little freedom for the illusion and feeling of security. And just out of curiousity, do you feel that same way about the 2nd Amendment?
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Sorry mate. I was referring to the push towards illigalization. I just wrote my post a little early for me and didn't complete my thought :-O Cheers, Tom Archer, Inside C# Mainstream is just a word for the way things always have been -- just a middle-of-the-road, tow-the-line thing; a front for the Man serving up the same warmed-over slop he did yesterday and expecting you to say, "Thank you sir, may I have another?"
:) John
"We want to be alone when we hear too many words and we feel alone when it has been a while since anyone has spoken to us." Paul David Tripp -- War of Words -
I guess i didn't realize it was illegal already. :confused: In either case, just because something is annoying, doesn't mean it should be illegal. BW Eschew Obfuscation
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Not that I'm for this or anything (as it limits state's rights), but how does giving more freedom to small businesses, limit individual freedom? Zachery wrote: Most American people are willing to give up a little freedom for the illusion and feeling of security. And just out of curiousity, do you feel that same way about the 2nd Amendment?
It's not directly controlling, but it's a step in the direction of government controlled internet. As for gun control: People have the right to own personal firearms, but not anti-aircraft/surface-to-air missile types of munitions. It's all about moderation.
.............Zack............. Developer Extraordinaire && Full Time Geek
"It's all about function over form. I mean, look at NASA. Their code isn't formatted correctly and their stuff looks crappy, but they'll get you to the moon." "And the geek shall inherit the earth..." GCS\P\SS d- s-:- a-- C++$ U--- P--- L- E- W++ N o K-? w+++ O++ !M-- V PS+ PE Y+ PGP t+ 5+ X+ R++ tv++ b++ DI++ D+++ G+>G++++ e* h- r++ y+
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Which server would block it? The first one? The last one? The middle one? Remember email often bounces about a bunch of different servers before it gets anywhere near your ISP's server. So which server needs to be told to block all email starting with ADV for your email address? The only practical server for that is the one you dial up to get your email. But by that time the email has already hammered it's way across the internet, taking up resources as it goes. So the only machine that the blocking will help is your own machine. And you can do that already anyway. That is why Europe is going for the opt in only approach. They stop the spammer from sending unsolicited email right off the bat. America seems to be trying to stop spam at the destination, rather than the source.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChris Losinger wrote: i hate needles so much i can't even imagine allowing one near The Little Programmer
Actually, filtering at any point along the chain of email server hops would be fine. All hops after that would never receive the spam. As far as performance of the servers go, they already have to decide where to redirect the mail and another tiny check which would prevent passing it to the next server ought to increase performance. Basically, I'm saying that this could _decrease_ congestion. If all the major email servers started bogging down due to more spam, they would start blocking the spam in this potential easy fashion, almost wiping spam out. It is possible then that some entrepreneur could setup his own set of servers that would exists solely for spammers to pay him to route spam to the end users (who would then block it themselves). It just seems that forcing spam to identify itself would be its death-toll, whether it came quickly or slowly. John
"We want to be alone when we hear too many words and we feel alone when it has been a while since anyone has spoken to us." Paul David Tripp -- War of Words
