United States Heads Towards Legalization of Spam
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Actually, filtering at any point along the chain of email server hops would be fine. All hops after that would never receive the spam. As far as performance of the servers go, they already have to decide where to redirect the mail and another tiny check which would prevent passing it to the next server ought to increase performance. Basically, I'm saying that this could _decrease_ congestion. If all the major email servers started bogging down due to more spam, they would start blocking the spam in this potential easy fashion, almost wiping spam out. It is possible then that some entrepreneur could setup his own set of servers that would exists solely for spammers to pay him to route spam to the end users (who would then block it themselves). It just seems that forcing spam to identify itself would be its death-toll, whether it came quickly or slowly. John
"We want to be alone when we hear too many words and we feel alone when it has been a while since anyone has spoken to us." Paul David Tripp -- War of WordsActually, filtering at any point along the chain of email server hops would be fine Ok I am coming from the viewpoint that you would need a list of email addresses with a field next to each saying wether that person wants spam or not. Obviously that is unworkable. Simply having all mail routers block any email with ADV is nuts. It sounds odd but spam does keep infrastructure companies in business. Spam companies pay other companies to host spam applications. Just like some companies pay people to lick stamps, so spam companies pay people to send their spam. Spam is big business. The whole ADV idea is unworkable. Opt in with strong enforcement is the only way (except for my idealistic Instilling Of Better Values plan.) Anyway. I am just saying that making all servers simply block all ADV spam won't happen. It just seems that forcing spam to identify itself would be its death-toll, whether it came quickly or slowly Funny though how I think that it could be a good thing, even for the spammers. Advertisers are seeing that mass mail is not as efficient as targeted mail. Unsolicited mail gets dumped, it is a waste of the advertisers money (someone is paying these spam companies *stares at Norton*.) Targeted mail is something we actually may want, even at the compromise level. Opt in, targeted mail you can charge more for per mail than unsolicited, mass mail. A wise spammer should see that. Being honest will open peoples wallets better than by being discieving.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChris Losinger wrote: i hate needles so much i can't even imagine allowing one near The Little Programmer
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That's the only way to quench the spamming bastards. Actually I believe instilling better values in the youth and adults of today would be the only way. :)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChris Losinger wrote: i hate needles so much i can't even imagine allowing one near The Little Programmer
Then we *might* stop spam by 2200 when we join the Federation of Planets. :) -- "Do I look like someone who cares what God thinks?" -- Spike, Hellraiser
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I don't feel like straining my brain too much, so I will just say the obvious; I'll do the crippling, where do you want it, base of spine or everything but the left side of your mouth and your right arm? ;) I just found out that you need Exchange 2000 Service Pack 3 before you can restore mailboxes backed up using Windows backup. I just found out we never got our Exchange 2000 Service Pack 3 disc in march. I just found out it is a 165MB download. I just remembered why so many of us die alone, covered in pizza, with keyboard imprints on our foreheads.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChris Losinger wrote: i hate needles so much i can't even imagine allowing one near The Little Programmer
Paul Watson wrote: I just remembered why so many of us die alone, covered in pizza, with keyboard imprints on our foreheads. What a visual! Could I get a picture of that for my next book? :-D Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)
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Actually, filtering at any point along the chain of email server hops would be fine Ok I am coming from the viewpoint that you would need a list of email addresses with a field next to each saying wether that person wants spam or not. Obviously that is unworkable. Simply having all mail routers block any email with ADV is nuts. It sounds odd but spam does keep infrastructure companies in business. Spam companies pay other companies to host spam applications. Just like some companies pay people to lick stamps, so spam companies pay people to send their spam. Spam is big business. The whole ADV idea is unworkable. Opt in with strong enforcement is the only way (except for my idealistic Instilling Of Better Values plan.) Anyway. I am just saying that making all servers simply block all ADV spam won't happen. It just seems that forcing spam to identify itself would be its death-toll, whether it came quickly or slowly Funny though how I think that it could be a good thing, even for the spammers. Advertisers are seeing that mass mail is not as efficient as targeted mail. Unsolicited mail gets dumped, it is a waste of the advertisers money (someone is paying these spam companies *stares at Norton*.) Targeted mail is something we actually may want, even at the compromise level. Opt in, targeted mail you can charge more for per mail than unsolicited, mass mail. A wise spammer should see that. Being honest will open peoples wallets better than by being discieving.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChris Losinger wrote: i hate needles so much i can't even imagine allowing one near The Little Programmer
Paul Watson wrote: Funny though how I think that it could be a good thing, even for the spammers. Advertisers are seeing that mass mail is not as efficient as targeted mail. Unsolicited mail gets dumped, it is a waste of the advertisers money (someone is paying these spam companies *stares at Norton*.) Targeted mail is something we actually may want, even at the compromise level. Opt in, targeted mail you can charge more for per mail than unsolicited, mass mail. A wise spammer should see that. Being honest will open peoples wallets better than by being discieving. Exactly where I think this forced identification would eventually end up. If everyone blocked unsolicited spam, no one would send it any more. The only thing left is the opt-in stuff which wouldn't have to identify itself as spam. Right? :D John
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Paul Watson wrote: I just remembered why so many of us die alone, covered in pizza, with keyboard imprints on our foreheads. Yes, i was bathing in pizza with my keyboard just the other day, and slipped. Fortunately, the fake bamboo chair broke my fall, but it made me think a bit - this occupation has many dangers...
Shog9
So much he don't understand, Just might never make it to a man...
*spews milk out his nostrils, laughing hysterically* John
"We want to be alone when we hear too many words and we feel alone when it has been a while since anyone has spoken to us." Paul David Tripp -- War of Words -
:laugh::laugh::laugh: I've already told my wife that I don't care where we retire to so long as it isn't Florida :) Rob Manderson http://www.mindprobes.net
Rob Manderson wrote: I've already told my wife that I don't care where we retire to so long as it isn't Florida Return To Aussie mate. Regardz Colin J Davies
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**The minion's version of "Catch :bob: "It's a real shame that people as stupid as you can work out how to use a computer. said by Christian Graus in the Soapbox
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I guess i didn't realize it was illegal already. :confused: In either case, just because something is annoying, doesn't mean it should be illegal. BW Eschew Obfuscation
brianwelsch wrote: In either case, just because something is annoying, doesn't mean it should be illegal. And that works out nicely, given that I frequently find large portions of the human race to be annoying... :-) Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)
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LOL I did not even think of that. I was just thinking cc as in closed corporation, not as in the web address. I wonder how much Chris would pay me for chrislosinger.cc... :~
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChris Losinger wrote: i hate needles so much i can't even imagine allowing one near The Little Programmer
Paul Watson wrote: I wonder how much Chris would pay me for chrislosinger.cc i won't pay the current owners the $35/yr they're asking. but, i'd gladly pay you $5/yr. :) -c To vote with no response is to follow the way of the coward.
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*spews milk out his nostrils, laughing hysterically* John
"We want to be alone when we hear too many words and we feel alone when it has been a while since anyone has spoken to us." Paul David Tripp -- War of Words -
Rob Manderson wrote: I've already told my wife that I don't care where we retire to so long as it isn't Florida Return To Aussie mate. Regardz Colin J Davies
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This could be addictive
**The minion's version of "Catch :bob: "It's a real shame that people as stupid as you can work out how to use a computer. said by Christian Graus in the Soapbox
Actually I have to say that Wellington or surrounds is very appealing... Rob Manderson http://www.mindprobes.net
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...you were drinking milk at the time...
Shog9
So much he don't understand, Just might never make it to a man...
;) John
"We want to be alone when we hear too many words and we feel alone when it has been a while since anyone has spoken to us." Paul David Tripp -- War of Words -
brianwelsch wrote: In either case, just because something is annoying, doesn't mean it should be illegal. And that works out nicely, given that I frequently find large portions of the human race to be annoying... :-) Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)
"Yes, that's correct, Your Honor. I would like this man to be illegal, and therefore detained, due to his overwhelming capacity for annoyance." :-D BW I just remembered why so many of us die alone, covered in pizza, with keyboard imprints on our foreheads. Paul Watson
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"Yes, that's correct, Your Honor. I would like this man to be illegal, and therefore detained, due to his overwhelming capacity for annoyance." :-D BW I just remembered why so many of us die alone, covered in pizza, with keyboard imprints on our foreheads. Paul Watson
brianwelsch wrote: "Yes, that's correct, Your Honor. I would like this man to be illegal, and therefore detained, due to his overwhelming capacity for annoyance." :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: And let's not forget, we need to revoke his Right to Reproduce, lest it spread... Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)
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Actually I have to say that Wellington or surrounds is very appealing... Rob Manderson http://www.mindprobes.net
either you are joking. Or somebody who hates you, has told you that. :-) There are other nice places in NZ, but not Wellington. Regardz Colin J Davies
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**The minion's version of "Catch :bob: "It's a real shame that people as stupid as you can work out how to use a computer. said by Christian Graus in the Soapbox
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either you are joking. Or somebody who hates you, has told you that. :-) There are other nice places in NZ, but not Wellington. Regardz Colin J Davies
*** WARNING *
This could be addictive
**The minion's version of "Catch :bob: "It's a real shame that people as stupid as you can work out how to use a computer. said by Christian Graus in the Soapbox
Nope, I spent a couple of weeks there a couple of years ago and loved the place. Rob Manderson http://www.mindprobes.net
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hmm, maybe you should take a little more.. Last time I did that I ended up posting The Jesus Does The Hokey Pokey joke. I can assure you that people will not look to kindly on anyone who encourages me to repeat that performance. :) Anyway, dried frog pills are damned expensive. Have to ship them all the way from Rimblocks Emporium in Ankhmorpork.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChris Losinger wrote: i hate needles so much i can't even imagine allowing one near The Little Programmer
Paul Watson wrote: Anyway, dried frog pills are damned expensive. Have to ship them all the way from Rimblocks Emporium in Ankhmorpork. :laugh: I hope I'm not the only who got that! :-D Nick Seng (the programmer formerly known as Notorious SMC)
God, I pity me! - Phoncible P. Bone
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Paul's been incredibly sarcastic of late Says the man who wants us to all consider the feelings of every single other CPian (even the lurkers*) and in the process turn CP into PC. At least we are getting bitter together Shog9. If I had a porch I would invite you around to shout at kids who came near our front-yard. * yes, you, post something damnit!
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChris Losinger wrote: i hate needles so much i can't even imagine allowing one near The Little Programmer
Paul Watson wrote: * yes, you, post something damnit! k, how's this?
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