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    Infinite recursion not heard of drawing parallels? (9)

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      Infinite recursion not heard of drawing parallels? (9)

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      Vikram A Punathambekar
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      No idea, just a guess, I definitely won't be able to set the question if I win this. That said, ITERATION?

      Cheers, Vikram.

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        No idea, just a guess, I definitely won't be able to set the question if I win this. That said, ITERATION?

        Cheers, Vikram.

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        Nope.

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          Infinite recursion not heard of drawing parallels? (9)

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          I hope I'm wrong as I'm not good at writing CCCs LIMITLESS?

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            I hope I'm wrong as I'm not good at writing CCCs LIMITLESS?

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            You are wrong.

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              Infinite recursion not heard of drawing parallels? (9)

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              The answer is rectangle. I was hoping that the solution would be quite fiendish, however I wasn't expecting it to go unsolved. Solution First we need to identify the indicators: "Infinite" means *without end* or *endless* "Heard" means *sounds like*, and in this case is applied to "Not". So we simplify our clue to: Without end recursion knot of drawing parallels? (9)

              REC = Recursion (without end/endless)
              TANGLE = Knot

              RECTANGLE = Drawing parallels (a rectangle can be drawn using 2 sets of parallel lines).

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                The answer is rectangle. I was hoping that the solution would be quite fiendish, however I wasn't expecting it to go unsolved. Solution First we need to identify the indicators: "Infinite" means *without end* or *endless* "Heard" means *sounds like*, and in this case is applied to "Not". So we simplify our clue to: Without end recursion knot of drawing parallels? (9)

                REC = Recursion (without end/endless)
                TANGLE = Knot

                RECTANGLE = Drawing parallels (a rectangle can be drawn using 2 sets of parallel lines).

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                You have got to be shitting me. ;P

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                  You have got to be shitting me. ;P

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                  Too complicated?

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                    Too complicated?

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                    Yes. There are too many ways to parse it, and there are two double indirections (infinite -> endless, which is then used as an indicator, and not heard -> knot -> tangle). But others who are much better at these than me might disagree.

                    Robust Services Core | Software Techniques for Lemmings | Articles
                    The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.

                    <p><a href="https://github.com/GregUtas/robust-services-core/blob/master/README.md">Robust Services Core</a>
                    <em>The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.</em></p>

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                      Yes. There are too many ways to parse it, and there are two double indirections (infinite -> endless, which is then used as an indicator, and not heard -> knot -> tangle). But others who are much better at these than me might disagree.

                      Robust Services Core | Software Techniques for Lemmings | Articles
                      The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.

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                      I disagree with the indirection on the infinite one, I don't see it being any different to most indicators that are just synonyms of the action you should apply. Granted not a common indicator that you would see (if ever), but it's not a requirement to make them easy! I was in two minds about the "knot" part though. I am not a big fan of these "double indirections" as you call them (no idea what I would call them), but it made the clue sound better in this case, and I have certainly seen others use them too so I couldn't justify them being against the rules. A tough one for sure. I would be interested on what people think of the "drawing parallels?" part though, does that work as a definition for "rectangle"?

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                        I disagree with the indirection on the infinite one, I don't see it being any different to most indicators that are just synonyms of the action you should apply. Granted not a common indicator that you would see (if ever), but it's not a requirement to make them easy! I was in two minds about the "knot" part though. I am not a big fan of these "double indirections" as you call them (no idea what I would call them), but it made the clue sound better in this case, and I have certainly seen others use them too so I couldn't justify them being against the rules. A tough one for sure. I would be interested on what people think of the "drawing parallels?" part though, does that work as a definition for "rectangle"?

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                        Drawing parallels suggests that the answer is a verb. Maybe two parallels would have been less cruel. To return to my whingeing, there's the superfluous of. But it disappears if the clue becomes "Infinite recursion not hearing two parallels".

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                        <em>The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.</em></p>

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                          Drawing parallels suggests that the answer is a verb. Maybe two parallels would have been less cruel. To return to my whingeing, there's the superfluous of. But it disappears if the clue becomes "Infinite recursion not hearing two parallels".

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                          The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.

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                          musefan
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                          Very nice, I like that version better. Makes me wonder... could I use that clue tomorrow but find a different answer that fits! (probably not)

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                            Yes. There are too many ways to parse it, and there are two double indirections (infinite -> endless, which is then used as an indicator, and not heard -> knot -> tangle). But others who are much better at these than me might disagree.

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                            I get that you could use infinite for endless; but "endless" generally means you lose only the last letter (or at most last syllable). In this instance you've made the larger part of the word the "end". Maybe "Starting recursion" would have been more appropriate? I thought clues were "meant" to start or end with the definition; really not sure that "drawing parallels" (or even "two parallels") really defines a rectangle? ... but then I've set some questionable clues myself (it turns out - didn't realise it at the time!) and no shame in that... :)

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                              Yes. There are too many ways to parse it, and there are two double indirections (infinite -> endless, which is then used as an indicator, and not heard -> knot -> tangle). But others who are much better at these than me might disagree.

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                              The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.

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                              One of the unwritten laws ( there are many ) of constructing a cryptic clue, is, one of the clues words must point to the answer. in your clue they don't. Neither infinite or recursion mean rectangle. A good cryptic clue should be challenging but solvable - we can all write difficult clues but they won't conform to the cryptic rules. If one of mine isn't solved I feel that it was either poorly written or a good clue ( hopefully the latter ) but I've also been guilty of the former.

                              "I didn't mention the bats - he'd see them soon enough" - Hunter S Thompson - RIP

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                                I get that you could use infinite for endless; but "endless" generally means you lose only the last letter (or at most last syllable). In this instance you've made the larger part of the word the "end". Maybe "Starting recursion" would have been more appropriate? I thought clues were "meant" to start or end with the definition; really not sure that "drawing parallels" (or even "two parallels") really defines a rectangle? ... but then I've set some questionable clues myself (it turns out - didn't realise it at the time!) and no shame in that... :)

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                                You're absolutely right Derek it wasn't a well constructed clue as it didn't conform to any of the many unwritten rules.

                                "I didn't mention the bats - he'd see them soon enough" - Hunter S Thompson - RIP

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                                • Greg UtasG Greg Utas

                                  Drawing parallels suggests that the answer is a verb. Maybe two parallels would have been less cruel. To return to my whingeing, there's the superfluous of. But it disappears if the clue becomes "Infinite recursion not hearing two parallels".

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                                  The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.

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                                  However you word it Greg it's still a poorly constructed clue, neither infinite or recursion indicate rectangle. End of story.

                                  "I didn't mention the bats - he'd see them soon enough" - Hunter S Thompson - RIP

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