Outlook 2003
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So I've just spent a day reinstalling my system - 2003 server, VS.NET 2003, and to go the trifecta, Office 2003. My initial reactions to Outlook 2003?
- Lose the shaded toolbars. Toolbar innovation is at the point where they are just plain hard on the eyes.
- Get someone to go over the entire configuration process. It's still WAY too hard to go through the maze of configuration options
- Fire the Outlook Program Manager. Serioously. I provide my pst folder and it thinks there are two copies. I have to (yet again) recreate all my accounts when upgrading. I don't want my views to be all grouped - make it obvious how to apply 'don't show grouped' to all views. And the kicker? 3 hours to download 1000 emails? Outlook 2003 has some really nice features and looks polished - but even if the the product was perfect, the time it takes to download emails from a POP3 server is totally unacceptable. Especially when Outlook 2000 with SpamNet and with all the rules in place does the same job in minutes.
So more fluff and more peripheral features with no obvious attempts to improve the underlying functionality of the product. I don't care about XML when I'm reading email. I don't care about .NET programability 8am on a Monday morning. I don't see that having the preview screen on the right hand side instead of the bottom is a big thing (why isn't it just a docking window anyway?). For the love of God please get someone to spend some time working on the fundamentals of the product before full release. Preferably someone who has used other, simpler, leaner mail clients. cheers, Chris Maunder
I dont think Chris is in a good mood this morning :omg:
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I dont think Chris is in a good mood this morning :omg:
Ed Worsfold wrote: I dont think Chris is in a good mood this morning Me's thinks that Chris just found out that Outlook 2003 isn't a good product this morning. :omg: What sound would all the asp pages on CP make if they changed to .jsp? Cheers, Simon "I ask candidates to create an object model of a chicken.", Bruce Eckel on interviewing programmers. animation mechanics in SVG (my first abstract photo)
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Ed Worsfold wrote: I dont think Chris is in a good mood this morning Me's thinks that Chris just found out that Outlook 2003 isn't a good product this morning. :omg: What sound would all the asp pages on CP make if they changed to .jsp? Cheers, Simon "I ask candidates to create an object model of a chicken.", Bruce Eckel on interviewing programmers. animation mechanics in SVG (my first abstract photo)
SimonS wrote: What sound would all the asp pages on CP make if they changed to .jsp? "Click". And it would take 200Mb and an entire morning only to do it. ORACLE One Real A$#h%le Called Lary Ellison
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So I've just spent a day reinstalling my system - 2003 server, VS.NET 2003, and to go the trifecta, Office 2003. My initial reactions to Outlook 2003?
- Lose the shaded toolbars. Toolbar innovation is at the point where they are just plain hard on the eyes.
- Get someone to go over the entire configuration process. It's still WAY too hard to go through the maze of configuration options
- Fire the Outlook Program Manager. Serioously. I provide my pst folder and it thinks there are two copies. I have to (yet again) recreate all my accounts when upgrading. I don't want my views to be all grouped - make it obvious how to apply 'don't show grouped' to all views. And the kicker? 3 hours to download 1000 emails? Outlook 2003 has some really nice features and looks polished - but even if the the product was perfect, the time it takes to download emails from a POP3 server is totally unacceptable. Especially when Outlook 2000 with SpamNet and with all the rules in place does the same job in minutes.
So more fluff and more peripheral features with no obvious attempts to improve the underlying functionality of the product. I don't care about XML when I'm reading email. I don't care about .NET programability 8am on a Monday morning. I don't see that having the preview screen on the right hand side instead of the bottom is a big thing (why isn't it just a docking window anyway?). For the love of God please get someone to spend some time working on the fundamentals of the product before full release. Preferably someone who has used other, simpler, leaner mail clients. cheers, Chris Maunder
Chris Maunder wrote: I don't care about .NET programability 8am on a Monday morning. What ( :eek: ), you roll in at 8 a.m. in the morning? Sounds like bankers hours, kinda. ;P P.S. - I know you spend an ungodly amount of time working on CP, just giving you a hard time on my Monday morning. :) -Nick Parker
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So I've just spent a day reinstalling my system - 2003 server, VS.NET 2003, and to go the trifecta, Office 2003. My initial reactions to Outlook 2003?
- Lose the shaded toolbars. Toolbar innovation is at the point where they are just plain hard on the eyes.
- Get someone to go over the entire configuration process. It's still WAY too hard to go through the maze of configuration options
- Fire the Outlook Program Manager. Serioously. I provide my pst folder and it thinks there are two copies. I have to (yet again) recreate all my accounts when upgrading. I don't want my views to be all grouped - make it obvious how to apply 'don't show grouped' to all views. And the kicker? 3 hours to download 1000 emails? Outlook 2003 has some really nice features and looks polished - but even if the the product was perfect, the time it takes to download emails from a POP3 server is totally unacceptable. Especially when Outlook 2000 with SpamNet and with all the rules in place does the same job in minutes.
So more fluff and more peripheral features with no obvious attempts to improve the underlying functionality of the product. I don't care about XML when I'm reading email. I don't care about .NET programability 8am on a Monday morning. I don't see that having the preview screen on the right hand side instead of the bottom is a big thing (why isn't it just a docking window anyway?). For the love of God please get someone to spend some time working on the fundamentals of the product before full release. Preferably someone who has used other, simpler, leaner mail clients. cheers, Chris Maunder
Chris Maunder wrote: And the kicker? 3 hours to download 1000 emails? You have to look at it another way. It gives you an excuse to find time for coding in the mornings. :) Jeremy Falcon
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Chris Maunder wrote: I don't care about .NET programability 8am on a Monday morning. What ( :eek: ), you roll in at 8 a.m. in the morning? Sounds like bankers hours, kinda. ;P P.S. - I know you spend an ungodly amount of time working on CP, just giving you a hard time on my Monday morning. :) -Nick Parker
Nick Parker wrote: you roll in at 8 a.m. in the morning? Yeah; he rolls in from a club... :rolleyes:
David Wulff
"It is a helpless feeling to be unable to make something so terribly wrong... right."
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So I've just spent a day reinstalling my system - 2003 server, VS.NET 2003, and to go the trifecta, Office 2003. My initial reactions to Outlook 2003?
- Lose the shaded toolbars. Toolbar innovation is at the point where they are just plain hard on the eyes.
- Get someone to go over the entire configuration process. It's still WAY too hard to go through the maze of configuration options
- Fire the Outlook Program Manager. Serioously. I provide my pst folder and it thinks there are two copies. I have to (yet again) recreate all my accounts when upgrading. I don't want my views to be all grouped - make it obvious how to apply 'don't show grouped' to all views. And the kicker? 3 hours to download 1000 emails? Outlook 2003 has some really nice features and looks polished - but even if the the product was perfect, the time it takes to download emails from a POP3 server is totally unacceptable. Especially when Outlook 2000 with SpamNet and with all the rules in place does the same job in minutes.
So more fluff and more peripheral features with no obvious attempts to improve the underlying functionality of the product. I don't care about XML when I'm reading email. I don't care about .NET programability 8am on a Monday morning. I don't see that having the preview screen on the right hand side instead of the bottom is a big thing (why isn't it just a docking window anyway?). For the love of God please get someone to spend some time working on the fundamentals of the product before full release. Preferably someone who has used other, simpler, leaner mail clients. cheers, Chris Maunder
Chris Maunder wrote: So more fluff and more peripheral features with no obvious attempts to improve the underlying functionality of the product. Lest not we forget that they actuall undid some useful functionality! For example, they removed some the ability to disable an email account (a feature that goes back to the first Outlook and even Outlook Express). When I reported this as a bug, all I got was "this is by design". Jeez, I guess I'll just have to delete accounts every time one of the 5 mail servers I have to check misbehaves. Or maybe I could just get used to Outlook popping up an error message every 5 minutes. Or maybe I'll just stick to good 'ol Outlook 2000. Progress, for sure. -Oz --- Grab WndTabs from http://www.wndtabs.com to make your VC++ experience that much more comfortable...
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So I've just spent a day reinstalling my system - 2003 server, VS.NET 2003, and to go the trifecta, Office 2003. My initial reactions to Outlook 2003?
- Lose the shaded toolbars. Toolbar innovation is at the point where they are just plain hard on the eyes.
- Get someone to go over the entire configuration process. It's still WAY too hard to go through the maze of configuration options
- Fire the Outlook Program Manager. Serioously. I provide my pst folder and it thinks there are two copies. I have to (yet again) recreate all my accounts when upgrading. I don't want my views to be all grouped - make it obvious how to apply 'don't show grouped' to all views. And the kicker? 3 hours to download 1000 emails? Outlook 2003 has some really nice features and looks polished - but even if the the product was perfect, the time it takes to download emails from a POP3 server is totally unacceptable. Especially when Outlook 2000 with SpamNet and with all the rules in place does the same job in minutes.
So more fluff and more peripheral features with no obvious attempts to improve the underlying functionality of the product. I don't care about XML when I'm reading email. I don't care about .NET programability 8am on a Monday morning. I don't see that having the preview screen on the right hand side instead of the bottom is a big thing (why isn't it just a docking window anyway?). For the love of God please get someone to spend some time working on the fundamentals of the product before full release. Preferably someone who has used other, simpler, leaner mail clients. cheers, Chris Maunder
Wow. And I thought that MS will do something about Outlook's functionality and performance. I think I have read somewhere that they (MS) are spending additional resources on Outlook this time around to make it much better. I guess all people that worked on Outlook's core were divereted to the fancy interface. That sucks. Pz
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Chris Maunder wrote: So more fluff and more peripheral features with no obvious attempts to improve the underlying functionality of the product. Lest not we forget that they actuall undid some useful functionality! For example, they removed some the ability to disable an email account (a feature that goes back to the first Outlook and even Outlook Express). When I reported this as a bug, all I got was "this is by design". Jeez, I guess I'll just have to delete accounts every time one of the 5 mail servers I have to check misbehaves. Or maybe I could just get used to Outlook popping up an error message every 5 minutes. Or maybe I'll just stick to good 'ol Outlook 2000. Progress, for sure. -Oz --- Grab WndTabs from http://www.wndtabs.com to make your VC++ experience that much more comfortable...
Hey Oz, I believe you can still do this. In Outlook XP there is a new menu option that allows you to control which email accounts are being used. To access this do: 1. on Tools menu find "Send/Receive Settings" sub menu, which has "Define Send/Receive Groups ..." 2. click on "Define Send/Receive Groups ...", this will bring up a dialog 3. on the "Send/Receive Groups" dialog you will find a list control with only one entry "All Accounts" 4. select this list item and click "Edit" button 5. you will be presented with yet another dialog that lets you disable email accounts, etc. I hope this is the feature that you missed. Pz
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Hey Oz, I believe you can still do this. In Outlook XP there is a new menu option that allows you to control which email accounts are being used. To access this do: 1. on Tools menu find "Send/Receive Settings" sub menu, which has "Define Send/Receive Groups ..." 2. click on "Define Send/Receive Groups ...", this will bring up a dialog 3. on the "Send/Receive Groups" dialog you will find a list control with only one entry "All Accounts" 4. select this list item and click "Edit" button 5. you will be presented with yet another dialog that lets you disable email accounts, etc. I hope this is the feature that you missed. Pz
Peter Zajac wrote: on Tools menu find "Send/Receive Settings" sub menu, which has "Define Send/Receive Groups ..." You are right and all I can say is Oh My God what have they done? Replaced a lowly checkbox with a whole bunch of dialogs. Total UI obfuscation! This thing is so deeply hidden, that even MS's own people couldn't help me. Plea to MS: Don't fix it if it ain't broken! -Oz --- Grab WndTabs from http://www.wndtabs.com to make your VC++ experience that much more comfortable...
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Chris Maunder wrote: I don't care about .NET programability 8am on a Monday morning. What ( :eek: ), you roll in at 8 a.m. in the morning? Sounds like bankers hours, kinda. ;P P.S. - I know you spend an ungodly amount of time working on CP, just giving you a hard time on my Monday morning. :) -Nick Parker
Nick Parker wrote: What ( ), you roll in at 8 a.m. in the morning? Sounds like bankers hours, kinda. That's a lie in, believe me ;) Cheers, Barry
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Nick Parker wrote: What ( ), you roll in at 8 a.m. in the morning? Sounds like bankers hours, kinda. That's a lie in, believe me ;) Cheers, Barry
Barry Lapthorn wrote: That's a lie in, believe me I was just kidding with him. :) -Nick Parker
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So I've just spent a day reinstalling my system - 2003 server, VS.NET 2003, and to go the trifecta, Office 2003. My initial reactions to Outlook 2003?
- Lose the shaded toolbars. Toolbar innovation is at the point where they are just plain hard on the eyes.
- Get someone to go over the entire configuration process. It's still WAY too hard to go through the maze of configuration options
- Fire the Outlook Program Manager. Serioously. I provide my pst folder and it thinks there are two copies. I have to (yet again) recreate all my accounts when upgrading. I don't want my views to be all grouped - make it obvious how to apply 'don't show grouped' to all views. And the kicker? 3 hours to download 1000 emails? Outlook 2003 has some really nice features and looks polished - but even if the the product was perfect, the time it takes to download emails from a POP3 server is totally unacceptable. Especially when Outlook 2000 with SpamNet and with all the rules in place does the same job in minutes.
So more fluff and more peripheral features with no obvious attempts to improve the underlying functionality of the product. I don't care about XML when I'm reading email. I don't care about .NET programability 8am on a Monday morning. I don't see that having the preview screen on the right hand side instead of the bottom is a big thing (why isn't it just a docking window anyway?). For the love of God please get someone to spend some time working on the fundamentals of the product before full release. Preferably someone who has used other, simpler, leaner mail clients. cheers, Chris Maunder
I am so itching to start an opensource Outlook replacement project. It's not like a product like this is rocket science, geez. David
