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The latest US Air Force fighter will get software updates OTA

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  • D Daniel Pfeffer

    [The Air Force’s Secret New Fighter Jet Will Get Software Updates as It Flies](https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a39752243/ngad-software/) Hmm. A high-performance aircraft receives updates to its fly-by-wire software while flying. What could possibly go wrong?

    Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.

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    "Your aircraft requires a reboot to finish the upgrade. This will take approximately 45 seconds. Press 'Fire' to cancel the reboot now". ... ... ... "Preparing ... 1%" "Please do not turn off your aircraft" *splat-boom-arrgh*

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      "Your aircraft requires a reboot to finish the upgrade. This will take approximately 45 seconds. Press 'Fire' to cancel the reboot now". ... ... ... "Preparing ... 1%" "Please do not turn off your aircraft" *splat-boom-arrgh*

      "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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      DerekT P
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      And all they were doing was "upgrading" the icons... :doh:

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      • D Daniel Pfeffer

        [The Air Force’s Secret New Fighter Jet Will Get Software Updates as It Flies](https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a39752243/ngad-software/) Hmm. A high-performance aircraft receives updates to its fly-by-wire software while flying. What could possibly go wrong?

        Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.

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        Jorgen Andersson
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        This already exists on SAAB Gripen. Except, specifically not for the Fly-by-wire software. It's mostly used for the EW-suite.

        Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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        • J Jorgen Andersson

          This already exists on SAAB Gripen. Except, specifically not for the Fly-by-wire software. It's mostly used for the EW-suite.

          Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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          0x01AA
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          For all uneducated people like me: 'EW': Gripen’s Future-Forward EW Suite[^] Of course AB and also XY and CO apply the same here... :doh: :laugh:

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          • D Daniel Pfeffer

            [The Air Force’s Secret New Fighter Jet Will Get Software Updates as It Flies](https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a39752243/ngad-software/) Hmm. A high-performance aircraft receives updates to its fly-by-wire software while flying. What could possibly go wrong?

            Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.

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            Gary R Wheeler
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            Does anybody else remember when Popular Mechanics covered do-it-yourself home repairs and woodworking projects?

            Software Zen: delete this;

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            • D Daniel Pfeffer

              [The Air Force’s Secret New Fighter Jet Will Get Software Updates as It Flies](https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a39752243/ngad-software/) Hmm. A high-performance aircraft receives updates to its fly-by-wire software while flying. What could possibly go wrong?

              Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.

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              jmaida
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              Says its 5G. Humm could be hacked, fixed, hacked, fixed ... at maximum network speed.

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                Says its 5G. Humm could be hacked, fixed, hacked, fixed ... at maximum network speed.

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                The article suggests aircraft would function as one large network?

                "A little time, a little trouble, your better day" (BF)

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                • G Gary R Wheeler

                  Does anybody else remember when Popular Mechanics covered do-it-yourself home repairs and woodworking projects?

                  Software Zen: delete this;

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                  You mean you don't upgrade your own fighter jets while flying? :confused:

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                  • D Daniel Pfeffer

                    [The Air Force’s Secret New Fighter Jet Will Get Software Updates as It Flies](https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a39752243/ngad-software/) Hmm. A high-performance aircraft receives updates to its fly-by-wire software while flying. What could possibly go wrong?

                    Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.

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                    CPallini
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                    Sometimes being the software developer is far better than being its actual user.

                    "In testa che avete, Signor di Ceprano?" -- Rigoletto

                    In testa che avete, signor di Ceprano?

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                    • G Gary R Wheeler

                      Does anybody else remember when Popular Mechanics covered do-it-yourself home repairs and woodworking projects?

                      Software Zen: delete this;

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                      Daniel Pfeffer
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                      I suppose that an advanced fighter aircraft is the logical present for the person who has everything, including their own Titan II missile silo. :-\ [Two More Titan II Nuclear Missile Silos Blast Onto the Market in Arizona](https://www.realtor.com/news/unique-homes/two-more-titan-missile-silos-for-sale-in-arizona/)

                      Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.

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                      • D Daniel Pfeffer

                        [The Air Force’s Secret New Fighter Jet Will Get Software Updates as It Flies](https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a39752243/ngad-software/) Hmm. A high-performance aircraft receives updates to its fly-by-wire software while flying. What could possibly go wrong?

                        Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.

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                        Vikram A Punathambekar
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                        Gives new meaning to "over the air" updates. And every update will be labelled "Minor bug fixes and improvements".

                        Cheers, Vikram.

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                        • D Daniel Pfeffer

                          [The Air Force’s Secret New Fighter Jet Will Get Software Updates as It Flies](https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a39752243/ngad-software/) Hmm. A high-performance aircraft receives updates to its fly-by-wire software while flying. What could possibly go wrong?

                          Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.

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                          I would not want to be mid-flight when the aircraft decides it needs to update its software...

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                            I would not want to be mid-flight when the aircraft decides it needs to update its software...

                            ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                            You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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                            When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                            Daniel Pfeffer
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                            My point exactly. I suppose military discipline has its uses - you don't get to refuse to fly in the death trap aircraft...

                            Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.

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                              I would not want to be mid-flight when the aircraft decides it needs to update its software...

                              ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                              You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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                              When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                              Gary R Wheeler
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                              It's typical public B.S. about defense systems, their development and deployment written by morons. I'd bet the actual 'update capability' refers to C3I sharing of strategic and tactical data in real-time during battle.

                              Software Zen: delete this;

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                              • D Daniel Pfeffer

                                [The Air Force’s Secret New Fighter Jet Will Get Software Updates as It Flies](https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a39752243/ngad-software/) Hmm. A high-performance aircraft receives updates to its fly-by-wire software while flying. What could possibly go wrong?

                                Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.

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                                Wizard of Sleeves
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                                Developer: Oops, it wasn't supposed crash; it didn't do that in the lab. Ask the user to switch if off again and see if he can recreate the problem. Tell him to hold down the shift-key while it reboots to put it into debug mode. What about hardware updates... are the engines hot-swappable?

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                                • D Daniel Pfeffer

                                  [The Air Force’s Secret New Fighter Jet Will Get Software Updates as It Flies](https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a39752243/ngad-software/) Hmm. A high-performance aircraft receives updates to its fly-by-wire software while flying. What could possibly go wrong?

                                  Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.

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                                  Ghostrider007
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                                  Has nobody seen BattleStar Galactica where the Cylons disable the 'modern' colonial fighters by updating them. #FireyDeath

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                                  • D Daniel Pfeffer

                                    [The Air Force’s Secret New Fighter Jet Will Get Software Updates as It Flies](https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a39752243/ngad-software/) Hmm. A high-performance aircraft receives updates to its fly-by-wire software while flying. What could possibly go wrong?

                                    Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.

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                                    Cpichols
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                                    It likely has redundant systems, as it is fly-by-wire and updates are not the only thing that endanger the cyborg.

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                                      "Your aircraft requires a reboot to finish the upgrade. This will take approximately 45 seconds. Press 'Fire' to cancel the reboot now". ... ... ... "Preparing ... 1%" "Please do not turn off your aircraft" *splat-boom-arrgh*

                                      "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                                      Kirk 10389821
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                                      The calculation... Okay, this is perfect, we will glide for 45 seconds... With a slight descent, we have 60 seconds to pull back up. So we will be fine... Flaws in logic: 1) When has the ESTIMATE for time required EVER been accurate 2) Middle of the updating... Adjusting Flaps during reset... [that's when REAL panic sets in] 3) Once started... You are NOT stopping this... I see an interesting side effect. The problem will be logged as: "Pilot had a heart attack" The software Update, while being the cause, won't be mentioned... LOL

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                                      • D Daniel Pfeffer

                                        [The Air Force’s Secret New Fighter Jet Will Get Software Updates as It Flies](https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a39752243/ngad-software/) Hmm. A high-performance aircraft receives updates to its fly-by-wire software while flying. What could possibly go wrong?

                                        Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.

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                                        Kirk 10389821
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                                        Even worse. Remember that RPM attack that took down Russian Servers based on their location when the Ukraine thing started... Imagine... The plane is flying a secret mission, the update comes in... And that kind of code is in there... this kind of stuff... Or it takes the FOF (Friend or Foe) signal offline, just long enough... This just SMACKS of a STUPID idea.

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                                          The calculation... Okay, this is perfect, we will glide for 45 seconds... With a slight descent, we have 60 seconds to pull back up. So we will be fine... Flaws in logic: 1) When has the ESTIMATE for time required EVER been accurate 2) Middle of the updating... Adjusting Flaps during reset... [that's when REAL panic sets in] 3) Once started... You are NOT stopping this... I see an interesting side effect. The problem will be logged as: "Pilot had a heart attack" The software Update, while being the cause, won't be mentioned... LOL

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                                          "Updating ejection system ... please wait ... " :laugh:

                                          "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

                                          "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
                                          "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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