Gulliver's travels is obscene and banned.
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Now look here, you want an Indo-Pak flame war, this is not the place. Go to the Soapbox, crib against India, and mail me the link so I can join issue. Unless you don't know (which seems to be the case), India and Pakistan are culturally very similar. The basic difference is that you're a theocratic state and religious fanatics; we're secular. We *don't* have girls going about in small dresses. We *don't* condone public mouth to mouth kissing. We *don't* promote hugging in public. But we don't forcibly stop all this from happenning, either. If somebody does it, SO WHAT?
Vikram.
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Vikram Punathambekar wrote: If somebody does it, SO WHAT? Well said, yes, rape is not "encouraged" in India, but if somebody is doing it SO WHAT Vikram Punathambekar wrote: Now look here, you want an Indo-Pak flame war, this is not the place. Go to the Soapbox, crib against India, and mail me the link so I can join issue. This flame war is started by you and only by you. You are an Indian and you posted something against Pakistan here, and so it is better that you yourself take it away towards soapbox. Vikram Punathambekar wrote: The basic difference is that you're a theocratic state and religious fanatics; we're secular. Ahm..no we are not culturally similar. We daily slaughter cows, our national dresses are different than that of India. Alcohol is prohibitted e.t.c e.t.c Vikram Punathambekar wrote: We *don't* have girls going about in small dresses. We *don't* condone public mouth to mouth kissing. We *don't* promote hugging in public. Your media is portraying everything you said above. Have you ever seen a Bollywood film (which seems not in your case...aHem ||)
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Heaven forbid that people should want to have an open discussion about literature. It must be reassuring to know that society is automatically assumed guilty of misdemeanours, and that its morals and principles are so delicate that they could be damaged by words. Instead, let's enforce this protection so that people dont get chance to make up their own mind. Who knows, it may lead to... increased intelligence (v. dangerous)... social awareness (please say it isn't so)... acceptence of different beliefs (let's stop that now)... and... wait for it... increased physical contact (think of the germs!) Note that was heavily coated in sarcasm. And not towards you Vikram, but what you reported! It's amazing that Seth is banned as he gives a very balanced view of Hindu/Muslim problems. Possibly it's because he writes too much and the thoughtful professors didnt want to tire their students out... bless them.
Note that was heavily coated in sarcasm. And not towards you Vikram Good that you clarified. :) Else I would have flamed you myself. Seriously, I don't believe people don't want to discuss stuff. It's only because of lack of discussion that misunderstandings occur. I'm quite shocked when people admit that their Govt (or University) is suppressing open discussions and knowledge; and then say "this (suppression) *is* what we want".
Vikram.
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Punjab (the one in Pak, not India) University has banned works by Jonathan Swift because they conatin "sexual connotations", Vikram Seth because he's Indian, Auden because she's Jewish, Rape of the Lock by Pope because it contains an "offesnive" term, and many others. At the college level. Read about it at http://www.rediff.com/news/2003/jul/10lit.htm The funniest part is right at the bottom: Perhaps the most bizarre criticism is of a Sean O'Casey play, The End of the Beginning. The committee quoted a portion from the play: "When the song ended, Darry cocks his ear and listens." Dr Arif underlined the word 'cocks', the daily said. [edit] Alright, I'll be the first to admit I haven't read *all* those works, but it still seems stupid, esp But the general's wife has a different take on the issue. "We have been tolerant for too long," she said in a meeting with academics from the department. [/edit] :laugh: [edit2] Uh, oh! This is turning out into a many-sided flame war, with 1-voting. Three things really: #1. I was not Paki-bashing. I would have scoffed had it been an Indian university too. #2. I did NOT want to start a flame war. #3. I did not vote anybody down (or up, for that matter).[edit2]
Vikram.
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It's hilarious, in a gallows humour sort of way, to see any country in a region so disposed to overproduction of human beings, condemn any reference to reproductive activity. In my lifetime, the only book ever banned in this nation of supposedly free individuals was penned in that area - the Kama Sutra. It's very sad to see any culture manufacture a supposed sin out of the beautiful act of procreation, and ours, I must admit, is most guilty of that. We wallow in guilt for exposing the body, ostensibly created in the image of God, to the view of others. What a sad inversion of values. To extend this ridiculous taboo to include mere words - and those in a poorly understood foreign language - is a travesty. I weep for the people in your region of the world... as I do for my own. When will they learn that words are only noises in the wind, and that values are borne in the heart?:( There are so many important issues for us to debate - why do we allow such trivial matters to consume so much of our productive time? Swift was a talented author of fantasy, and students at the college level should have the critical facilities to discriminate between porn and art. Leave the matter to their capable hands, and let's not go banning books!
"The Lion shall lie down with the Lamb;
but the Lamb will not get much sleep..."
Lazarus Long -
Well said, Vikram...
"The Lion shall lie down with the Lamb;
but the Lamb will not get much sleep..."
Lazarus LongRoger Wright wrote: Well said, Vikram... Thanks, Roger. And it might interest you to know that for your balanced view (which, coincidentally, in somebody else' view, is anti-Pakistan and pro-India), you've been voted a 1. Here, I'll vote you a 5 to make up for it. I just wish Pakis would stop attacking India whenever we something about Pakistan. This mistrust cannot go on forever. As Mahatma Gandhi said, "An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind". But wait a minute, Gandhiji was Indian, right? So he (and this quote of his) are probably banned in Pakistan. X|
Vikram.
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Hi, John! [sincere]I thought it'd be nice to meet you and get your opinion on this, since you're the only Paki I like and respect on CP.[/sincere] But reading your post content is rather disappointig. You have come down to the others' level of India-bashing. About the article, I scoffed at what people were doing, never mind they were Pakistanis. Read my original post again (I've edited it) and tell me what you think of it now. I'm really interested in your views. And BTW, there is a lot of resentment here about India trying to land a man on the Moon.
Vikram.
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Vikram Punathambekar wrote: And BTW, there is a lot of resentment here about India trying to land a man on the Moon. The announcement was not taken as a surprise here. And as an aerospace engineer, i can say that India is fully capable of sending human to the moon, the only hurdle in the way is money. Vikram Punathambekar wrote: But reading your post content is rather disappointig. Oh forget it..this seems to be continue till the end of the world ;P
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Punjab (the one in Pak, not India) University has banned works by Jonathan Swift because they conatin "sexual connotations", Vikram Seth because he's Indian, Auden because she's Jewish, Rape of the Lock by Pope because it contains an "offesnive" term, and many others. At the college level. Read about it at http://www.rediff.com/news/2003/jul/10lit.htm The funniest part is right at the bottom: Perhaps the most bizarre criticism is of a Sean O'Casey play, The End of the Beginning. The committee quoted a portion from the play: "When the song ended, Darry cocks his ear and listens." Dr Arif underlined the word 'cocks', the daily said. [edit] Alright, I'll be the first to admit I haven't read *all* those works, but it still seems stupid, esp But the general's wife has a different take on the issue. "We have been tolerant for too long," she said in a meeting with academics from the department. [/edit] :laugh: [edit2] Uh, oh! This is turning out into a many-sided flame war, with 1-voting. Three things really: #1. I was not Paki-bashing. I would have scoffed had it been an Indian university too. #2. I did NOT want to start a flame war. #3. I did not vote anybody down (or up, for that matter).[edit2]
Vikram.
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Vikram Punathambekar wrote: Sean O'Casey play, The End of the Beginning Not much you miss here, it's a pain. Although it must be said, for the pain it is it is good. Vikram Punathambekar wrote: Jonathan Swift because they conatin "sexual connotations", really? Got to re-read it again :rolleyes: Don't remember much of it... Vikram Punathambekar wrote: I was not Paki-bashing. I would have scoffed had it been an Indian university too. A pity that it has to be said, and good that you say it. But their prudishness mixes well with their transatlantic allies, doesn't it? ;P
"Der Geist des Kriegers ist erwacht / Ich hab die Macht" StS
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Vikram Punathambekar wrote: If somebody does it, SO WHAT? Well said, yes, rape is not "encouraged" in India, but if somebody is doing it SO WHAT Vikram Punathambekar wrote: Now look here, you want an Indo-Pak flame war, this is not the place. Go to the Soapbox, crib against India, and mail me the link so I can join issue. This flame war is started by you and only by you. You are an Indian and you posted something against Pakistan here, and so it is better that you yourself take it away towards soapbox. Vikram Punathambekar wrote: The basic difference is that you're a theocratic state and religious fanatics; we're secular. Ahm..no we are not culturally similar. We daily slaughter cows, our national dresses are different than that of India. Alcohol is prohibitted e.t.c e.t.c Vikram Punathambekar wrote: We *don't* have girls going about in small dresses. We *don't* condone public mouth to mouth kissing. We *don't* promote hugging in public. Your media is portraying everything you said above. Have you ever seen a Bollywood film (which seems not in your case...aHem ||)
Well said, yes, rape is not "encouraged" in India, but if somebody is doing it SO WHAT Now, do you believe that wearing small dresses, kissing in public and hugging are equal to rape? If you do, I can only marvel at your naivety.
Vikram.
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First of all this is a personal decision of an educational institution and a 100% correct decision supported by majority of people. If your difinition of "modern society" is that boys and girls sit together in class room and and and learn such literature; then sorry we are not a "modern society" and are proud of that. I don't know why you people call a society a modern society in which men and women hugging and kissing each other in the public, reading sexual material together in class room and women wearing little dresses....:mad: No we don't want to be "modern". This could be "your" way to judge how much a society is a progressive society not ours. And yes have you ever been to Lahore. It is much safe and better than almost all your cities. See yourself what your own journalist saying in the last two lines of this document[^].
The literature you fear so much is fantasy - written purposely to entertain, and to lampoon a Victorian society that strangled creativity for ages. There is no attack on your society's mores inherent in the book. It is an obscenity to ban any learning from reaching any person capable of learning it, and this sort of censorship is an offense against all the gods that mankind may choose to worship. Whether you embrace Allah, Woden, Yahweh, Bramha, or any other deity, all chose to create us all with will and intelligence. To deprive any person of knowledge is to steal their right to exercise both. Censorship is wrong, no matter how lofty the moral goal may be.
"The Lion shall lie down with the Lamb;
but the Lamb will not get much sleep..."
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Vikram Punathambekar wrote: And BTW, there is a lot of resentment here about India trying to land a man on the Moon. The announcement was not taken as a surprise here. And as an aerospace engineer, i can say that India is fully capable of sending human to the moon, the only hurdle in the way is money. Vikram Punathambekar wrote: But reading your post content is rather disappointig. Oh forget it..this seems to be continue till the end of the world ;P
The announcement was not taken as a surprise here. It came as a surprise to me. this seems to be continue till the end of the world And you're happy to leave it at that, aren't you? X| :mad: When will you Pakis (and most of us Indians) learn that this is getting us nowhere? Hey, wait! I'm an Indian, so if I to extend my hand of friendship to Pakistan there must be an ulterior motive behind it. So you'd better not trust me. Let's go on with the killing. After all, it makes us happy, right?
Vikram.
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Roger Wright wrote: Well said, Vikram... Thanks, Roger. And it might interest you to know that for your balanced view (which, coincidentally, in somebody else' view, is anti-Pakistan and pro-India), you've been voted a 1. Here, I'll vote you a 5 to make up for it. I just wish Pakis would stop attacking India whenever we something about Pakistan. This mistrust cannot go on forever. As Mahatma Gandhi said, "An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind". But wait a minute, Gandhiji was Indian, right? So he (and this quote of his) are probably banned in Pakistan. X|
Vikram.
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Thank you for the vote, Vikram, but I really don't give a damn what votes my posts get. I post my thoughts, be they rational or completely deranged. To my tiny American mind, Indians and Pakistanis are the same people - I admit that geography was not my strong suit in school. From my point of view, your conflicts are a pain in the arse, and I really wish you all would get along a whole lot better. I've worked alongside Indians and Pakistanis - you're all nice people. Why can't you get along?
"The Lion shall lie down with the Lamb;
but the Lamb will not get much sleep..."
Lazarus Long -
Vikram Punathambekar wrote: Sean O'Casey play, The End of the Beginning Not much you miss here, it's a pain. Although it must be said, for the pain it is it is good. Vikram Punathambekar wrote: Jonathan Swift because they conatin "sexual connotations", really? Got to re-read it again :rolleyes: Don't remember much of it... Vikram Punathambekar wrote: I was not Paki-bashing. I would have scoffed had it been an Indian university too. A pity that it has to be said, and good that you say it. But their prudishness mixes well with their transatlantic allies, doesn't it? ;P
"Der Geist des Kriegers ist erwacht / Ich hab die Macht" StS
sighist | Agile Programming | doxygenpeterchen wrote: A pity that it has to be said, and good that you say it. Bah! They'd see that and simply think "What a blatant lie!" peterchen wrote: really? Got to re-read it again Don't remember much of it... I think there are two versions of it, inc an adult version. :~ peterchen wrote: But their prudishness mixes well with their transatlantic allies, doesn't it? ROTFLMAO !
Vikram.
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It's hilarious, in a gallows humour sort of way, to see any country in a region so disposed to overproduction of human beings, condemn any reference to reproductive activity. In my lifetime, the only book ever banned in this nation of supposedly free individuals was penned in that area - the Kama Sutra. It's very sad to see any culture manufacture a supposed sin out of the beautiful act of procreation, and ours, I must admit, is most guilty of that. We wallow in guilt for exposing the body, ostensibly created in the image of God, to the view of others. What a sad inversion of values. To extend this ridiculous taboo to include mere words - and those in a poorly understood foreign language - is a travesty. I weep for the people in your region of the world... as I do for my own. When will they learn that words are only noises in the wind, and that values are borne in the heart?:( There are so many important issues for us to debate - why do we allow such trivial matters to consume so much of our productive time? Swift was a talented author of fantasy, and students at the college level should have the critical facilities to discriminate between porn and art. Leave the matter to their capable hands, and let's not go banning books!
"The Lion shall lie down with the Lamb;
but the Lamb will not get much sleep..."
Lazarus LongRoger Wright wrote: In my lifetime, the only book ever banned in this nation of supposedly free individuals was penned in that area - the Kama Sutra. The Kama Sutra is banned in India? :confused: I'll admit I haven't read it, but I've seen it on display for sale at bookfairs. And some of my friends have read it.
Vikram.
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The announcement was not taken as a surprise here. It came as a surprise to me. this seems to be continue till the end of the world And you're happy to leave it at that, aren't you? X| :mad: When will you Pakis (and most of us Indians) learn that this is getting us nowhere? Hey, wait! I'm an Indian, so if I to extend my hand of friendship to Pakistan there must be an ulterior motive behind it. So you'd better not trust me. Let's go on with the killing. After all, it makes us happy, right?
Vikram.
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Vikram Punathambekar wrote: if I to extend my hand of friendship to Pakistan there must be an ulterior motive behind it. So you'd better not trust me. Let's go on with the killing. After all, it makes us happy, right? Why are you provoking conflict in this way? I thought better of you, Vikram....:(
"The Lion shall lie down with the Lamb;
but the Lamb will not get much sleep..."
Lazarus Long -
Thank you for the vote, Vikram, but I really don't give a damn what votes my posts get. I post my thoughts, be they rational or completely deranged. To my tiny American mind, Indians and Pakistanis are the same people - I admit that geography was not my strong suit in school. From my point of view, your conflicts are a pain in the arse, and I really wish you all would get along a whole lot better. I've worked alongside Indians and Pakistanis - you're all nice people. Why can't you get along?
"The Lion shall lie down with the Lamb;
but the Lamb will not get much sleep..."
Lazarus LongRoger Wright wrote: I've worked alongside Indians and Pakistanis - you're all nice people. Now you're going to get voted down for saying Indians are nice people. Roger Wright wrote: Why can't you get along? That's what I ask myself, my fellow-Indians, and Pakistanis. In India, I'm branded an anti-national. Pakis scoff at me. Anyway, SO WHAT? (like you said when your post got voted down) Regards,
Vikram.
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First of all this is a personal decision of an educational institution and a 100% correct decision supported by majority of people. If your difinition of "modern society" is that boys and girls sit together in class room and and and learn such literature; then sorry we are not a "modern society" and are proud of that. I don't know why you people call a society a modern society in which men and women hugging and kissing each other in the public, reading sexual material together in class room and women wearing little dresses....:mad: No we don't want to be "modern". This could be "your" way to judge how much a society is a progressive society not ours. And yes have you ever been to Lahore. It is much safe and better than almost all your cities. See yourself what your own journalist saying in the last two lines of this document[^].
I've read enough of Virkam's posts to know that he is talking about individual issues not where they come from and your statement that 100% of people supoort the ban is not justified. Secondly, I saw a very good program with Imran Kahn about modern Pakistan and it was very interesting to hear his assesment, bearing in mind that he has also spent a lot of time in other countries and can make valid comparisons. As to the article you mention, it does not compare Lahore with other cities, it points out that someone has misconceptions. I suggest you think about that in your statements. And if a modern society prevents women being victims 'honour' murders because of arguments their husbands and families have, then I want to be in a modern society. Please feel free to continue this in the soapbox. Elaine :rose: The tigress is here :-D
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The literature you fear so much is fantasy - written purposely to entertain, and to lampoon a Victorian society that strangled creativity for ages. There is no attack on your society's mores inherent in the book. It is an obscenity to ban any learning from reaching any person capable of learning it, and this sort of censorship is an offense against all the gods that mankind may choose to worship. Whether you embrace Allah, Woden, Yahweh, Bramha, or any other deity, all chose to create us all with will and intelligence. To deprive any person of knowledge is to steal their right to exercise both. Censorship is wrong, no matter how lofty the moral goal may be.
"The Lion shall lie down with the Lamb;
but the Lamb will not get much sleep..."
Lazarus Long5 ! I agree because of an odd situation I have been in. I am not a religious person, yet I have been in the situation of explaining some fairly basic aspects of Islam to a few muslim friends (from Pakistan as it happens) because their religious teaching consists of memorising the Quran, without having to understand a single word as long as they could make the right sounds. In that particular instance, it was explaining what the Hadith is (after explaaining that it existed !). I learned a bit about Islam because I have had a number of muslim friends and lived in multicultured areas, so it seemed reasonable to understand people. I have even read Gulliver's Travels. Elaine :rose: The tigress is here :-D
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Roger Wright wrote: In my lifetime, the only book ever banned in this nation of supposedly free individuals was penned in that area - the Kama Sutra. The Kama Sutra is banned in India? :confused: I'll admit I haven't read it, but I've seen it on display for sale at bookfairs. And some of my friends have read it.
Vikram.
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I think Roger was talking about the Kama Sutra being banned in the UK. The tigress is here :-D
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Vikram Punathambekar wrote: Sean O'Casey play, The End of the Beginning Not much you miss here, it's a pain. Although it must be said, for the pain it is it is good. Vikram Punathambekar wrote: Jonathan Swift because they conatin "sexual connotations", really? Got to re-read it again :rolleyes: Don't remember much of it... Vikram Punathambekar wrote: I was not Paki-bashing. I would have scoffed had it been an Indian university too. A pity that it has to be said, and good that you say it. But their prudishness mixes well with their transatlantic allies, doesn't it? ;P
"Der Geist des Kriegers ist erwacht / Ich hab die Macht" StS
sighist | Agile Programming | doxygenpeterchen wrote: But their prudishness mixes well with their transatlantic allies, doesn't it? Agreed ! Not happily, but agreed. The tigress is here :-D
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Roger Wright wrote: In my lifetime, the only book ever banned in this nation of supposedly free individuals was penned in that area - the Kama Sutra. The Kama Sutra is banned in India? :confused: I'll admit I haven't read it, but I've seen it on display for sale at bookfairs. And some of my friends have read it.
Vikram.
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Vikram Punathambekar wrote: The Kama Sutra is banned in India? No, never - it's a holy text there, I'm told. But not here in the US - it's sinful, because the pictures depict people having a good time. You should read it, young man, and learn from it. It's a great marriage primer.:-D
"The Lion shall lie down with the Lamb;
but the Lamb will not get much sleep..."
Lazarus Long -
I've read enough of Virkam's posts to know that he is talking about individual issues not where they come from and your statement that 100% of people supoort the ban is not justified. Secondly, I saw a very good program with Imran Kahn about modern Pakistan and it was very interesting to hear his assesment, bearing in mind that he has also spent a lot of time in other countries and can make valid comparisons. As to the article you mention, it does not compare Lahore with other cities, it points out that someone has misconceptions. I suggest you think about that in your statements. And if a modern society prevents women being victims 'honour' murders because of arguments their husbands and families have, then I want to be in a modern society. Please feel free to continue this in the soapbox. Elaine :rose: The tigress is here :-D
Trollslayer wrote: I've read enough of Virkam's posts to know that he is talking about individual issues not where they come from Thanks for your faith in me, Elaine! :rose: Trollslayer wrote: As to the article you mention I wasn't able to read that. :( Mind reproducing its contents for me? (by private email, preferably - we don't want to abuse CP, do we?) Trollslayer wrote: women being victims 'honour' murders because of arguments their husbands and families have There's something more shocking. This looks like Paki-bashing admittedly, but I'm just stating a fact If a woman in Pakistan has been raped or even harassed, she has brought "dishonor" to the whole family. Then the men resort to honor killing- once the "dishonored" woman is no more, the family regains its honor. So, women are killed by their brothers, sons, husbands and fathers. :(( And this is supported by the law. :mad: BTW, I voted this a 5. :)
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