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Are we back in the 60s?

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    PIEBALDconsult
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    I just saw on one of my state's official websites: Computer Programmers -- Convert project specifications and statements of problems and procedures to detailed logical flow charts for coding into computer language. (Emphasis mine.) Glad I'm a Software Developer rather than one of those.

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      I just saw on one of my state's official websites: Computer Programmers -- Convert project specifications and statements of problems and procedures to detailed logical flow charts for coding into computer language. (Emphasis mine.) Glad I'm a Software Developer rather than one of those.

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      Yeah, but just think if they did still teach that. How to think and approach a problem is more useful than "use this or that framework". I used to have a template for drawing the things.

      I’ve given up trying to be calm. However, I am open to feeling slightly less agitated. I’m begging you for the benefit of everyone, don’t be STUPID.

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        Yeah, but just think if they did still teach that. How to think and approach a problem is more useful than "use this or that framework". I used to have a template for drawing the things.

        I’ve given up trying to be calm. However, I am open to feeling slightly less agitated. I’m begging you for the benefit of everyone, don’t be STUPID.

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        PIEBALDconsult
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        I agree. I'm glad that when I took my first programming class (BASIC in 1983) we had to submit flow charts.

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          Yeah, but just think if they did still teach that. How to think and approach a problem is more useful than "use this or that framework". I used to have a template for drawing the things.

          I’ve given up trying to be calm. However, I am open to feeling slightly less agitated. I’m begging you for the benefit of everyone, don’t be STUPID.

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          Andy Allinger
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          From the point of view of an amateur, flow charts are a good thing. They emphasize the logic of how to solve the problem. OOPS emphasizes the bureaucratic details of instantiating objects, constructor functions, templates and dependencies. 60's music was better, too.

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            From the point of view of an amateur, flow charts are a good thing. They emphasize the logic of how to solve the problem. OOPS emphasizes the bureaucratic details of instantiating objects, constructor functions, templates and dependencies. 60's music was better, too.

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            PIEBALDconsult
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            Andy Allinger wrote:

            60's music was better

            Continues to be better. Anything up to about 1990.

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              I just saw on one of my state's official websites: Computer Programmers -- Convert project specifications and statements of problems and procedures to detailed logical flow charts for coding into computer language. (Emphasis mine.) Glad I'm a Software Developer rather than one of those.

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              Mike Hankey
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              Go with the flow man. :)

              As the aircraft designer said, "Simplicate and add lightness". PartsBin an Electronics Part Organizer - Release Version 1.3.0 JaxCoder.com Latest Article: SimpleWizardUpdate

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                Go with the flow man. :)

                As the aircraft designer said, "Simplicate and add lightness". PartsBin an Electronics Part Organizer - Release Version 1.3.0 JaxCoder.com Latest Article: SimpleWizardUpdate

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                PIEBALDconsult
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                Don't ( START ) with me.

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                  I just saw on one of my state's official websites: Computer Programmers -- Convert project specifications and statements of problems and procedures to detailed logical flow charts for coding into computer language. (Emphasis mine.) Glad I'm a Software Developer rather than one of those.

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                  Brisingr Aerowing
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                  I make flow charts for the code I write for the OpenComputers Minecraft mod. Makes it easier to implement. I also make flow charts for all the various processing stuff I have to set up to figure out what I need and how to lay it out.

                  What do you get when you cross a joke with a rhetorical question? The metaphorical solid rear-end expulsions have impacted the metaphorical motorized bladed rotating air movement mechanism. Do questions with multiple question marks annoy you???

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                    I just saw on one of my state's official websites: Computer Programmers -- Convert project specifications and statements of problems and procedures to detailed logical flow charts for coding into computer language. (Emphasis mine.) Glad I'm a Software Developer rather than one of those.

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                    charlieg
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                    I smell money :)

                    Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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                    • P PIEBALDconsult

                      Andy Allinger wrote:

                      60's music was better

                      Continues to be better. Anything up to about 1990.

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                      David ONeil
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                      Good music continues to be made. You might have to look for it. Look through KEXP's playlists - you will likely find something you like: [https://www.youtube.com/@kexp\](https://www.youtube.com/@kexp)

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                        I just saw on one of my state's official websites: Computer Programmers -- Convert project specifications and statements of problems and procedures to detailed logical flow charts for coding into computer language. (Emphasis mine.) Glad I'm a Software Developer rather than one of those.

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                        RickZeeland
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                        Amusing, but as others already mentioned it can useful for learning purposes. This looks interesting: Flowgorithm is a free beginner's programming language that is based on simple graphical flowcharts. Flowgorithm - Flowchart Programming Language[^]

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                          I just saw on one of my state's official websites: Computer Programmers -- Convert project specifications and statements of problems and procedures to detailed logical flow charts for coding into computer language. (Emphasis mine.) Glad I'm a Software Developer rather than one of those.

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                          PIEBALDconsult wrote:

                          state's official websites:

                          Did you consider that they might be using COBOL. And not Object COBOL but actual COBOL. Quite a few years ago I had to extensively modify an older C application and realized I could no longer even think in structured programming. I had to use a model that allowed me to simulate OO via C. A junior programmer thought that was cool and I didn't explain it was just a hack so I could implement it.

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