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    Callixte
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    hello there, I'd like your opinion on this: can programming be considered as art? Callixte http://www.callixte.org[^]

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      hello there, I'd like your opinion on this: can programming be considered as art? Callixte http://www.callixte.org[^]

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      Lost User
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      Possibly, like maybe if you define your classes in the form of a haiku...... Paul ;)

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        hello there, I'd like your opinion on this: can programming be considered as art? Callixte http://www.callixte.org[^]

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        Nic Rowan
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        I think so :)


        Beware the chickens, for in their silence, they plot... Two fish are in a tank. One says to the other: "I'll man the guns, you drive!" Life is too short to be taken seriously. -- Oscar Wilde


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          hello there, I'd like your opinion on this: can programming be considered as art? Callixte http://www.callixte.org[^]

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          Jorgen Sigvardsson
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          You should've posted this in the Soapbox, because discussions on this topic often ends in a scorched message board... :) -- Berlin rules.

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            hello there, I'd like your opinion on this: can programming be considered as art? Callixte http://www.callixte.org[^]

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            Maximilien
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            If creativity is considered an art, why not. I think that programming should not be considered an art, but as a full fledged science, with more and more scientific and/or engenering bases; since it is still a relativly young science, there's a wide margin of error and empirical tries and errors is the norm in a lot of programming shops.


            Maximilien Lincourt "Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with backup tapes." ("Computer Networks" by Andrew S Tannenbaum )

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              hello there, I'd like your opinion on this: can programming be considered as art? Callixte http://www.callixte.org[^]

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              Zachery
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              "I may not know art, but I know what I like."

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                hello there, I'd like your opinion on this: can programming be considered as art? Callixte http://www.callixte.org[^]

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                Gary Kirkham
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                I think that GUI design is an art, but what goes on behind the GUI is a science. Gary Kirkham A working Program is one that has only unobserved bugs I thought I wanted a career, turns out I just wanted paychecks

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                  I think that GUI design is an art, but what goes on behind the GUI is a science. Gary Kirkham A working Program is one that has only unobserved bugs I thought I wanted a career, turns out I just wanted paychecks

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                  Maximilien
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                  part of GUI design can be considered an art, the color palette, the bitmap creation, but a good GUI can also be designed by specialists that have understanding of psychology and ergonomics.


                  Maximilien Lincourt "Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with backup tapes." ("Computer Networks" by Andrew S Tannenbaum )

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                    hello there, I'd like your opinion on this: can programming be considered as art? Callixte http://www.callixte.org[^]

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                    Would programming in VB be compared to Damian Hirst?

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                      part of GUI design can be considered an art, the color palette, the bitmap creation, but a good GUI can also be designed by specialists that have understanding of psychology and ergonomics.


                      Maximilien Lincourt "Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with backup tapes." ("Computer Networks" by Andrew S Tannenbaum )

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                      Callixte
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                      there, you are speaking about a kind of pictural art, such as painting, drawing... Writing "beautiful" is something different: designing clear and efficient algorithms, simple and effective class scheme and so on. IMO, it is not just science as the same results can be obtained with some nice methods or with some ugly ones. Needless to say, it is not because you have brushes and paint that you are a painter. Callixte

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                        Possibly, like maybe if you define your classes in the form of a haiku...... Paul ;)

                        Garfield.Bark(); **---Configuration: garfield - Win32 Deworm---** C:\garfield.cpp(9) : error C2039: 'Bark' : is not a member of 'CCat'

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                        Ian Darling
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                        Paul van der Walt wrote: Possibly, like maybe if you define your classes in the form of a haiku...... I actually tried that once through liberal use of #define. May have to have another go sometime, actually :-) -- Ian Darling If I was any more loopy, I'd be infinite.

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                          part of GUI design can be considered an art, the color palette, the bitmap creation, but a good GUI can also be designed by specialists that have understanding of psychology and ergonomics.


                          Maximilien Lincourt "Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with backup tapes." ("Computer Networks" by Andrew S Tannenbaum )

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                          Gary Kirkham
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                          I agree, but you can't seperate the two...a well designed, functional, GUI that looks like two year old did the art work (or it looks like a VB app) will probably not sell.:) Gary Kirkham A working Program is one that has only unobserved bugs I thought I wanted a career, turns out I just wanted paychecks

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                            hello there, I'd like your opinion on this: can programming be considered as art? Callixte http://www.callixte.org[^]

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                            brianwelsch
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                            it's art, but the artist only has as much freedom to be creative as the user allows. Even within that constraint, though, the programmer's style can show through in the code. it's science in the way that chemistry is involved with making paint. Science is based more on physical laws. This applies on a hardware level, but not so much for software these days. BW "In a world full of people, only some want to fly,Isn't that crazy?" - Seal

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                              hello there, I'd like your opinion on this: can programming be considered as art? Callixte http://www.callixte.org[^]

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                              Lost User
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                              In software there is the science, then the art. This is how good engineering works :cool: Elaine :rose: The tigress is here :-D

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                                hello there, I'd like your opinion on this: can programming be considered as art? Callixte http://www.callixte.org[^]

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                                Navin
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                                Yes, but not VB programming. "When a man sits with a pretty girl for an hour, it seems like a minute. But let him sit on a hot stove for a minute and it's longer than any hour. That's relativity." - Albert Einstein

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                                  Would programming in VB be compared to Damian Hirst?

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                                  MEOW ! Care to borrow my claws ? :laugh: The tigress is here :-D

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                                    I would consider design (not just GUI design, any program design) as more of an art, whereas the actual code is more of a science. Code written to a design either works or it doesn't, and you can quantify whether one block of code is more efficient, or faster, or smaller, etc. Quantifying program design, however, is more difficult, it is much more subjective. "When a man sits with a pretty girl for an hour, it seems like a minute. But let him sit on a hot stove for a minute and it's longer than any hour. That's relativity." - Albert Einstein

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                                      Chris Losinger
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                                      it is a craft. it can be difficult, time consuming, and can require a skilled hand to get everything just right. it can be dazzling to look upon a well-done piece of code and recognize the skill required to come up with it. but, the typical program fails one crucial test (whether in source or running as an EXE): it does not convey emotion. sure, you can code up something to render an animation that could pass as "art", but that's just a digital version of hand-drawn animation; the dynamic_cast and do (...) while are not the artistic part - the animation (the story, the characters, the layout) is. so, programming, much like a paint brush, is not an art, but it can be a way to achieve art. CheeseWeasle

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                                        I agree, but you can't seperate the two...a well designed, functional, GUI that looks like two year old did the art work (or it looks like a VB app) will probably not sell.:) Gary Kirkham A working Program is one that has only unobserved bugs I thought I wanted a career, turns out I just wanted paychecks

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                                        Maximilien
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                                        agreed, we can't separate the two, but, what is easier, making a GUI look good or making a GUI that work best. The problem when designing GUI is trying to get good specifications and requirements, and approving the design as early as possible. I face this problem about every couple months since I started programming, cosmetic UI changes that took away valuable time that I could have spent on programming the application.


                                        Maximilien Lincourt "Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with backup tapes." ("Computer Networks" by Andrew S Tannenbaum )

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                                          it is a craft. it can be difficult, time consuming, and can require a skilled hand to get everything just right. it can be dazzling to look upon a well-done piece of code and recognize the skill required to come up with it. but, the typical program fails one crucial test (whether in source or running as an EXE): it does not convey emotion. sure, you can code up something to render an animation that could pass as "art", but that's just a digital version of hand-drawn animation; the dynamic_cast and do (...) while are not the artistic part - the animation (the story, the characters, the layout) is. so, programming, much like a paint brush, is not an art, but it can be a way to achieve art. CheeseWeasle

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                                          Matt Gullett
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                                          Chris Losinger wrote: it does not convey emotion. Have you seend a BSOD lately? It clearly conveys emotion, on both sides of the screen.;)

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