Visual Studio.Net - The Untold Story
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I remember my first VS.NET experience. After years of VC++, I brought it up, looked at the IDE, and like many others, said, "Saaaay, this is the Visual Basic IDE!" I had always assumed that the design team just took most of thier cues from the VB guys, but now I know the hidden, ugly truth. VS.NET is just the latest version of VB with a C++ compiler jammed in and renamed to avoid suspiciion. How do I know this? I've been spending some time debugging with Spy++ the past couple of days (don't ask). When I brought it up, I saw 34, count 'em, 34 windows of the class: VBFloatingPalette. :suss: You heard it here first, folks. Never mind the spoon. There is no Visual Studio.NET. It's just Visual Basic in drag... :-D Christopher Duncan Today's Corporate Battle Tactic Unite the Tribes: Ending Turf Wars for Career and Business Success The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World
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I remember my first VS.NET experience. After years of VC++, I brought it up, looked at the IDE, and like many others, said, "Saaaay, this is the Visual Basic IDE!" I had always assumed that the design team just took most of thier cues from the VB guys, but now I know the hidden, ugly truth. VS.NET is just the latest version of VB with a C++ compiler jammed in and renamed to avoid suspiciion. How do I know this? I've been spending some time debugging with Spy++ the past couple of days (don't ask). When I brought it up, I saw 34, count 'em, 34 windows of the class: VBFloatingPalette. :suss: You heard it here first, folks. Never mind the spoon. There is no Visual Studio.NET. It's just Visual Basic in drag... :-D Christopher Duncan Today's Corporate Battle Tactic Unite the Tribes: Ending Turf Wars for Career and Business Success The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World
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I remember my first VS.NET experience. After years of VC++, I brought it up, looked at the IDE, and like many others, said, "Saaaay, this is the Visual Basic IDE!" I had always assumed that the design team just took most of thier cues from the VB guys, but now I know the hidden, ugly truth. VS.NET is just the latest version of VB with a C++ compiler jammed in and renamed to avoid suspiciion. How do I know this? I've been spending some time debugging with Spy++ the past couple of days (don't ask). When I brought it up, I saw 34, count 'em, 34 windows of the class: VBFloatingPalette. :suss: You heard it here first, folks. Never mind the spoon. There is no Visual Studio.NET. It's just Visual Basic in drag... :-D Christopher Duncan Today's Corporate Battle Tactic Unite the Tribes: Ending Turf Wars for Career and Business Success The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World
Christopher Duncan wrote: You heard it here first, folks. Never mind the spoon. There is no Visual Studio.NET. It's just Visual Basic in drag... Come on man, at least offer us the choice of the red or the blue pill before you go off and say stuff like that. :-D "I'd be up a piece if I hadn't swallowed my bishop." Mr. Ed, playing chess
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Christopher Duncan wrote: You heard it here first, folks. Never mind the spoon. There is no Visual Studio.NET. It's just Visual Basic in drag... Come on man, at least offer us the choice of the red or the blue pill before you go off and say stuff like that. :-D "I'd be up a piece if I hadn't swallowed my bishop." Mr. Ed, playing chess
Navin wrote: Come on man, at least offer us the choice of the red or the blue pill before you go off and say stuff like that. How right you are. It's important that we have choices. VB or VB Better? :-D Christopher Duncan Today's Corporate Battle Tactic Unite the Tribes: Ending Turf Wars for Career and Business Success The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World
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I remember my first VS.NET experience. After years of VC++, I brought it up, looked at the IDE, and like many others, said, "Saaaay, this is the Visual Basic IDE!" I had always assumed that the design team just took most of thier cues from the VB guys, but now I know the hidden, ugly truth. VS.NET is just the latest version of VB with a C++ compiler jammed in and renamed to avoid suspiciion. How do I know this? I've been spending some time debugging with Spy++ the past couple of days (don't ask). When I brought it up, I saw 34, count 'em, 34 windows of the class: VBFloatingPalette. :suss: You heard it here first, folks. Never mind the spoon. There is no Visual Studio.NET. It's just Visual Basic in drag... :-D Christopher Duncan Today's Corporate Battle Tactic Unite the Tribes: Ending Turf Wars for Career and Business Success The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World
Christopher Duncan wrote: It's just Visual Basic in drag... It sure looks like Visual Studio.NET from here :-D There's a way you can tell ( it's the techie equivalent of that bit in Crocodile Dundee where Mick, well, finds out if the girl he's talking to isn't one :rolleyes: ): Try the Alt text selection thingy - doesn't work in VB6, does work in VS.NET (and VC++6). Therefore VS.NET isn't VB in drag, although it might have a taste for stockings and suspenders :-D -- Ian Darling "The different versions of the UN*X brand operating system are numbered in a logical sequence: 5, 6, 7, 2, 2.9, 3, 4.0, III, 4.1, V, 4.2, V.2, and 4.3" - Alan Filipski
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I remember my first VS.NET experience. After years of VC++, I brought it up, looked at the IDE, and like many others, said, "Saaaay, this is the Visual Basic IDE!" I had always assumed that the design team just took most of thier cues from the VB guys, but now I know the hidden, ugly truth. VS.NET is just the latest version of VB with a C++ compiler jammed in and renamed to avoid suspiciion. How do I know this? I've been spending some time debugging with Spy++ the past couple of days (don't ask). When I brought it up, I saw 34, count 'em, 34 windows of the class: VBFloatingPalette. :suss: You heard it here first, folks. Never mind the spoon. There is no Visual Studio.NET. It's just Visual Basic in drag... :-D Christopher Duncan Today's Corporate Battle Tactic Unite the Tribes: Ending Turf Wars for Career and Business Success The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World
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I remember my first VS.NET experience. After years of VC++, I brought it up, looked at the IDE, and like many others, said, "Saaaay, this is the Visual Basic IDE!" I had always assumed that the design team just took most of thier cues from the VB guys, but now I know the hidden, ugly truth. VS.NET is just the latest version of VB with a C++ compiler jammed in and renamed to avoid suspiciion. How do I know this? I've been spending some time debugging with Spy++ the past couple of days (don't ask). When I brought it up, I saw 34, count 'em, 34 windows of the class: VBFloatingPalette. :suss: You heard it here first, folks. Never mind the spoon. There is no Visual Studio.NET. It's just Visual Basic in drag... :-D Christopher Duncan Today's Corporate Battle Tactic Unite the Tribes: Ending Turf Wars for Career and Business Success The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World
Well, that might explain it's memory consumption, poor performance and buggy interface ... D.
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OMG..just looked and i had 210 of the friggin things.:wtf: Im gonna go wash my hands for a week now... X| /Magnus
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_Magnus_ wrote: OMG..just looked and i had 210 of the friggin things 35, and all I'm doing is using the stored procedure editor :rolleyes: -- Ian Darling "The different versions of the UN*X brand operating system are numbered in a logical sequence: 5, 6, 7, 2, 2.9, 3, 4.0, III, 4.1, V, 4.2, V.2, and 4.3" - Alan Filipski
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OMG..just looked and i had 210 of the friggin things.:wtf: Im gonna go wash my hands for a week now... X| /Magnus
- I don't necessarily agree with everything I say
_Magnus_ wrote: Im gonna go wash my hands for a week now Sorry, man. You've been tarnished for life. It's kind of a Faustian thing where your soul now belongs to the Devil himself. ;P Chris Meech We're more like a hobbiest in a Home Depot drooling at all the shiny power tools, rather than a craftsman that makes the chair to an exacting level of comfort by measuring the customer's butt. Marc Clifton VB is like a toolbox, in the hands of a craftsman, you can end up with some amazing stuff, but without the skills to use it right you end up with Homer Simpson's attempt at building a barbeque or his attempt at a Spice rack. Michael P. Butler
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I remember my first VS.NET experience. After years of VC++, I brought it up, looked at the IDE, and like many others, said, "Saaaay, this is the Visual Basic IDE!" I had always assumed that the design team just took most of thier cues from the VB guys, but now I know the hidden, ugly truth. VS.NET is just the latest version of VB with a C++ compiler jammed in and renamed to avoid suspiciion. How do I know this? I've been spending some time debugging with Spy++ the past couple of days (don't ask). When I brought it up, I saw 34, count 'em, 34 windows of the class: VBFloatingPalette. :suss: You heard it here first, folks. Never mind the spoon. There is no Visual Studio.NET. It's just Visual Basic in drag... :-D Christopher Duncan Today's Corporate Battle Tactic Unite the Tribes: Ending Turf Wars for Career and Business Success The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World
:laugh: I checked on VB6 and I have a
VBFloatingPaletteand aVBSliderclass. Also, the class for the main/parent window for VB6 iswndclass_desked_gsk. What is it for VS.NET? (I'm at work right now and don't have it installed.) Jeremy Falcon -
:laugh: I checked on VB6 and I have a
VBFloatingPaletteand aVBSliderclass. Also, the class for the main/parent window for VB6 iswndclass_desked_gsk. What is it for VS.NET? (I'm at work right now and don't have it installed.) Jeremy FalconJeremy Falcon wrote: I checked on VB6 and I have a VBFloatingPalette and a VBSlider class. Ha! Jeremy Falcon wrote: Also, the class for the main/parent window for VB6 is wndclass_desked_gsk. What is it for VS.NET? Yep, that's the class. There you have it, folks. Conclusive proof. Visual Studio.NET is actually Visual Basic 7. The C++ compiler is probably just bolted on as a VBX control. :-D Alert the media! Christopher Duncan Today's Corporate Battle Tactic Unite the Tribes: Ending Turf Wars for Career and Business Success The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World
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I remember my first VS.NET experience. After years of VC++, I brought it up, looked at the IDE, and like many others, said, "Saaaay, this is the Visual Basic IDE!" I had always assumed that the design team just took most of thier cues from the VB guys, but now I know the hidden, ugly truth. VS.NET is just the latest version of VB with a C++ compiler jammed in and renamed to avoid suspiciion. How do I know this? I've been spending some time debugging with Spy++ the past couple of days (don't ask). When I brought it up, I saw 34, count 'em, 34 windows of the class: VBFloatingPalette. :suss: You heard it here first, folks. Never mind the spoon. There is no Visual Studio.NET. It's just Visual Basic in drag... :-D Christopher Duncan Today's Corporate Battle Tactic Unite the Tribes: Ending Turf Wars for Career and Business Success The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World
Christopher Duncan wrote: I saw 34, count 'em, 34 windows of the class: VBFloatingPalette. Don't worry, VB doesn't stand for Visual Basic in these cases. VB actually stands for Very Bad. As anybody who has used VS.NET knows, there are a lot of Very Bad user interface elements. ;-) Michael But you know when the truth is told, That you can get what you want or you can just get old, Your're going to kick off before you even get halfway through. When will you realise... Vienna waits for you? - "The Stranger," Billy Joel
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:laugh: I checked on VB6 and I have a
VBFloatingPaletteand aVBSliderclass. Also, the class for the main/parent window for VB6 iswndclass_desked_gsk. What is it for VS.NET? (I'm at work right now and don't have it installed.) Jeremy Falcon -
[...] VB6 implemented the property sheet as an internal class (VBFloatingPalette), not as a COM component [...][^] :rolleyes:
In amongst the statues Stare at nothing in The garden moves...
Um, what's the point? Did I miss something obviously funny? :confused: It doesn't matter if it's not a COM component, what's stopping MS from reusing their own code? Jeremy Falcon
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Um, what's the point? Did I miss something obviously funny? :confused: It doesn't matter if it's not a COM component, what's stopping MS from reusing their own code? Jeremy Falcon
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Christopher Duncan wrote: I saw 34, count 'em, 34 windows of the class: VBFloatingPalette. Don't worry, VB doesn't stand for Visual Basic in these cases. VB actually stands for Very Bad. As anybody who has used VS.NET knows, there are a lot of Very Bad user interface elements. ;-) Michael But you know when the truth is told, That you can get what you want or you can just get old, Your're going to kick off before you even get halfway through. When will you realise... Vienna waits for you? - "The Stranger," Billy Joel
The window classes within VB (pre .NET) were "ThunderRT" rather than "VB"...so you needn't worry, it wasn't written in VB. '--8<------------------------ Ex Datis: Duncan Jones Merrion Computing Ltd
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The window classes within VB (pre .NET) were "ThunderRT" rather than "VB"...so you needn't worry, it wasn't written in VB. '--8<------------------------ Ex Datis: Duncan Jones Merrion Computing Ltd
That's for the runtime. I'm using VB6 at work right now and using Spy++ shows me that the control palette is indeed
VBFloatingPalette. Also, we're talking about the IDE being based on VB6's IDE - not the VB egine itself. Jeremy Falcon -
I remember my first VS.NET experience. After years of VC++, I brought it up, looked at the IDE, and like many others, said, "Saaaay, this is the Visual Basic IDE!" I had always assumed that the design team just took most of thier cues from the VB guys, but now I know the hidden, ugly truth. VS.NET is just the latest version of VB with a C++ compiler jammed in and renamed to avoid suspiciion. How do I know this? I've been spending some time debugging with Spy++ the past couple of days (don't ask). When I brought it up, I saw 34, count 'em, 34 windows of the class: VBFloatingPalette. :suss: You heard it here first, folks. Never mind the spoon. There is no Visual Studio.NET. It's just Visual Basic in drag... :-D Christopher Duncan Today's Corporate Battle Tactic Unite the Tribes: Ending Turf Wars for Career and Business Success The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World
...all the toolbars are
MSOCommandBars - it's not even VB, it's VBA! :rolleyes:But in the end, it's all just database access right? And that stuff is just plain boring.
- David Stone, not a programming question but...
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...all the toolbars are
MSOCommandBars - it's not even VB, it's VBA! :rolleyes:But in the end, it's all just database access right? And that stuff is just plain boring.
- David Stone, not a programming question but...
:omg: That blow was below the belt! Jeremy Falcon
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I remember my first VS.NET experience. After years of VC++, I brought it up, looked at the IDE, and like many others, said, "Saaaay, this is the Visual Basic IDE!" I had always assumed that the design team just took most of thier cues from the VB guys, but now I know the hidden, ugly truth. VS.NET is just the latest version of VB with a C++ compiler jammed in and renamed to avoid suspiciion. How do I know this? I've been spending some time debugging with Spy++ the past couple of days (don't ask). When I brought it up, I saw 34, count 'em, 34 windows of the class: VBFloatingPalette. :suss: You heard it here first, folks. Never mind the spoon. There is no Visual Studio.NET. It's just Visual Basic in drag... :-D Christopher Duncan Today's Corporate Battle Tactic Unite the Tribes: Ending Turf Wars for Career and Business Success The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World