Need Some Advice
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Disclaimer: I am not trying to sell anything!!!! This is an honest plea for advice. I could use some constructive advice. We have developed a C++ app server that allows C++ developers to easily develop web apps. However, we are having some serious marketing challenges as of late. 1) How would you suggest we best get the word out about this product and have developers actually evaluate it. Our sales team has been going to specific companies that they know and trying to sell it in a personal fashion. Unfortunately, they are not familiar with development shops. 2) Is there actually a need for this type of product for those who don't want to switch to java and don't feel the need for a managed existance. This is frustrating as we don't have the sales/marketing experience to sell an off the shelf product. I have to believe that there are C++ developers who don't want to move to java and don't really have a solid alternative to developing web apps other than to be nuetered by .Net. Where would you most likely find out about a new product/technology? Thanks for your ideas. onwards and upwards...
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Disclaimer: I am not trying to sell anything!!!! This is an honest plea for advice. I could use some constructive advice. We have developed a C++ app server that allows C++ developers to easily develop web apps. However, we are having some serious marketing challenges as of late. 1) How would you suggest we best get the word out about this product and have developers actually evaluate it. Our sales team has been going to specific companies that they know and trying to sell it in a personal fashion. Unfortunately, they are not familiar with development shops. 2) Is there actually a need for this type of product for those who don't want to switch to java and don't feel the need for a managed existance. This is frustrating as we don't have the sales/marketing experience to sell an off the shelf product. I have to believe that there are C++ developers who don't want to move to java and don't really have a solid alternative to developing web apps other than to be nuetered by .Net. Where would you most likely find out about a new product/technology? Thanks for your ideas. onwards and upwards...
Well, from one who is disapointed in what he has found to support C++ web services support. My first pass comments: What platforms do you support? Windows? Intel comptible machines? Sun and HP severs? In my case most company servers are Sun's with of course Java prefered by the IS&T deptment. So any other options are a challenge to start with. Now many smaller branches and partners, do have much more of a mix and there are evangelists in my organization but.... There does exist a need to serve legacy apps that are non-Java languages. This and the ability to make these programmer assets, smoothly work into this technology is I think what you have to show you support. I would suggest getting something into the showcase area here a start. Show what and how you make these individuals valuable to the company. Present what tools you have to get them over the learning curve. Do you have wizards to build the basic interface to the app server. Do your tools make creating a toolkit for client development easy? Do you support customizations of the SOAP calls to allow additional customization say of the header element, for internal company usage more secure. And plese do not tell me that you have all of this and then tell me to run this --> just drop down to the command line and run this JAVA app! "Don't be so anti-american, would you? KaЯl (to Paul Watson on Baseball Bats) 26 Nov '03 "
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Well, from one who is disapointed in what he has found to support C++ web services support. My first pass comments: What platforms do you support? Windows? Intel comptible machines? Sun and HP severs? In my case most company servers are Sun's with of course Java prefered by the IS&T deptment. So any other options are a challenge to start with. Now many smaller branches and partners, do have much more of a mix and there are evangelists in my organization but.... There does exist a need to serve legacy apps that are non-Java languages. This and the ability to make these programmer assets, smoothly work into this technology is I think what you have to show you support. I would suggest getting something into the showcase area here a start. Show what and how you make these individuals valuable to the company. Present what tools you have to get them over the learning curve. Do you have wizards to build the basic interface to the app server. Do your tools make creating a toolkit for client development easy? Do you support customizations of the SOAP calls to allow additional customization say of the header element, for internal company usage more secure. And plese do not tell me that you have all of this and then tell me to run this --> just drop down to the command line and run this JAVA app! "Don't be so anti-american, would you? KaЯl (to Paul Watson on Baseball Bats) 26 Nov '03 "
Java? No. NEVER! Thanks for your input. Do you know if/what CP charges for the Product Spotlight? onwards and upwards...
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Java? No. NEVER! Thanks for your input. Do you know if/what CP charges for the Product Spotlight? onwards and upwards...
basementman wrote: Do you know if/what CP charges for the Product Spotlight? Sorry, You will have to ask Chris, that. One more comment. Now I am somewhat of a "I want to do it my way" kind of person and what I find really missing is rather than having a wizard to create the web services interface from my code easy is doing this from the other point of view. The WSDL is the interface both parties need to agree on. I find it surprising that a decent WSDL editor does not exist that allows one to create this interface as the start. It is like the ICD (Interface Control Document/Drawing) between manufactureing operations. Even if it just takes a XSD schema of the input and output for each operation as part of the input. The suppling and recieving organizations can negotiate that and then have the tool build the stubs for both the server and client in the language their staff is expert in. Of course C++ is #1. I can then code the portion to intergrate my code to which either side it needs to work in and I am happy again. "Don't be so anti-american, would you? KaЯl (to Paul Watson on Baseball Bats) 26 Nov '03 "
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Disclaimer: I am not trying to sell anything!!!! This is an honest plea for advice. I could use some constructive advice. We have developed a C++ app server that allows C++ developers to easily develop web apps. However, we are having some serious marketing challenges as of late. 1) How would you suggest we best get the word out about this product and have developers actually evaluate it. Our sales team has been going to specific companies that they know and trying to sell it in a personal fashion. Unfortunately, they are not familiar with development shops. 2) Is there actually a need for this type of product for those who don't want to switch to java and don't feel the need for a managed existance. This is frustrating as we don't have the sales/marketing experience to sell an off the shelf product. I have to believe that there are C++ developers who don't want to move to java and don't really have a solid alternative to developing web apps other than to be nuetered by .Net. Where would you most likely find out about a new product/technology? Thanks for your ideas. onwards and upwards...
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basementman wrote: Do you know if/what CP charges for the Product Spotlight? Sorry, You will have to ask Chris, that. One more comment. Now I am somewhat of a "I want to do it my way" kind of person and what I find really missing is rather than having a wizard to create the web services interface from my code easy is doing this from the other point of view. The WSDL is the interface both parties need to agree on. I find it surprising that a decent WSDL editor does not exist that allows one to create this interface as the start. It is like the ICD (Interface Control Document/Drawing) between manufactureing operations. Even if it just takes a XSD schema of the input and output for each operation as part of the input. The suppling and recieving organizations can negotiate that and then have the tool build the stubs for both the server and client in the language their staff is expert in. Of course C++ is #1. I can then code the portion to intergrate my code to which either side it needs to work in and I am happy again. "Don't be so anti-american, would you? KaЯl (to Paul Watson on Baseball Bats) 26 Nov '03 "
Michael A. Barnhart wrote: I find it surprising that a decent WSDL editor does not exist that allows one to create this interface as the start There appears to be quite a few WSDL editors out there. http://www.capescience.com/downloads/wsdleditor/index.shtml[^] http://www.altova.com/features_wsdl.html[^] http://www.adtmag.com/article.asp?id=7375[^] Are these missing the mark somehow? If they are, maybe I'll write one to suit your needs. :-D Marc Latest AAL Article My blog Join my forum!
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Michael A. Barnhart wrote: I find it surprising that a decent WSDL editor does not exist that allows one to create this interface as the start There appears to be quite a few WSDL editors out there. http://www.capescience.com/downloads/wsdleditor/index.shtml[^] http://www.altova.com/features_wsdl.html[^] http://www.adtmag.com/article.asp?id=7375[^] Are these missing the mark somehow? If they are, maybe I'll write one to suit your needs. :-D Marc Latest AAL Article My blog Join my forum!
Marc Clifton wrote: Are these missing the mark somehow? Mike Barnhart wrote: and then have the tool build the stubs for both the server and client in the language their staff is expert in. Yes there are some editors out their. But last time I looked they did not finish the job, in creating the base code. I will state that it has been awhile, so I guess it is time for me to look again. I will see how much free time I have, given it my daughters birthday, it may not be much this weekend. I had looked at CapeSciences (July 2003) but had a legal issue. If my memory is correct having to use gSOAP to finish the task was a show stopper. I also found a second option (do not remember the name but also was a GPL lic issue.) So I did leave off a NO GPL restriction in my environment. Do not remember if it was CapeScience or one of the others but it was very irritating to have to jump to a dos shell and run some JAVA apps to do part of the processing. I do have my standards. :rolleyes: Altova's WSDL is new. It had been looked at but found a flaw in it's handling of attributes but that was also 2 version ago and not revisited. It does state external tools to create the stub code to build on also. Your third link just goes back to CapeScience. So, Ok I need to back and reevaluate, the world may have changed some in the last year. The missing part was (non-Java, non-GPL) clean code generation. Marc Clifton wrote: If they are, maybe I'll write one to suit your needs. You had started on one, Right? <update> Well thanks to some serious heart burn I was able to look over some options. Here is my 2 cents: 1) CapeScience is the same as that I looked at last July. At the time was the best editor but did not complete the job I wanted with my enviroment restrictions. For others it may be fine. 2) XMLSPY has several new feature but, I just hate the interface. It is simply not intuitive. It should be obvious how to add a child element. I simply do not find this to be the case. Also I do not like the graphics display not including the element attributes. For some of my documentation I must have this. Ok I am picky but it is my money and choice. 3) Stylus Studio has also added some new feature. One from reading the web site does not create a WSDL, but it does allow configuration of the service and supports .net and Apache Ant. SO that may be totally satisfactory for me. I have an older version (4). Need to take a c