David Patrick wrote: From the very beginning, and very publicly, the US stated it intended to preserve the territoral boundaries of Iraq .. ie that they would NOT allow it to be broken up .. So much for the democracy they have promised the people of Iraq. If a majority (>66% perhaps) of the population of a region vote to secede, then according to the 'rules of democracy', who has a right to stop them? Cheers The universe is driven by the complex interaction between three ingredients: matter, energy, and enlightened self-interest.

jamiehale wrote: Since the 70s, anthropologists have started to discover that primitive man (humans, not penis-owning people) lived in a society of mutual respect for one's fellow humans and for the natural world as well. There seems to have been gender equality. No organized crime. No wars And then, suddenly, white anglo-saxon penis-owning men took over the civilization and things get really hairy ;P Tomasz Sowinski -- http://www.shooltz.com "Yields falsehood when preceded by its quotation" yields falsehood when preceded by its quotation.