Marc Clifton wrote: I don't mind dependencies, but I want them locked down in the configuration that they initially work in, I don't want something auto-updating because there's a newer version out there, and I want to be in total control of what/when I update. I agree with you on that (I commit source code of dependencies in with the code of my C++ apps where I have no packet manager) - which is why I favour [Paket for .NET dependencies](https://fsprojects.github.io/Paket/) - [it understands that you might want to lock versions of packages...](https://fsprojects.github.io/Paket/lock-file.html). Similarly, Rust (which I dabble with now and again) has a package manager, [Cargo](http://doc.crates.io/guide.html), with the same concept. Java, Basic, who cares - it's all a bunch of tree-hugging hippy cr*p

I think the physical activity causes a fundamental shift in what your brain is being asked to do. That shift gives the analytical/intuitive side a break in favor of the sensory and emotional. I've come back from runs with fresh perspectives on technical issues more times than I can count. It also reduces the occasional need to have my big debut on CNN, because of something my coworkers have pulled :rolleyes: in the morning. Software Zen: delete this;

Pualee wrote: People in academics are completely disconnected from people in the day to day grind. But isn't that a two-way street? Frankly, if your first response to a researcher is to "get a job", you've revoked all right to complain about distance. ORDER BY what user wants