Ditto When I first started mucking around with C#, I made a forum like app, that first wrote to Access, then SQL server, then Oracle, and finally XML. From there I started making stupid webservices, like a random insult of the day, or randomly assigning colors for today's "alert" status. I always find it best to learn a new language while coding some really dorky or assnine app that you might happen to think is fun. Heck, I learning RouteIMS/C# I wrote an app that discovered the shortest route to every Dunkin Donuts, then Krispe Kreme in the DC metro area. ;P PANTS