Glad you get to spend the time you do, helping others. Someday, I'll be able to answer questions, I did some testing on some of what ya gave me, the following throws an error Dim b As Bitmap = New Bitmap(800, 1100, Imaging.PixelFormat.Format1bppIndexed) Dim g As Graphics = Graphics.FromImage(b) This throws the following error Additional information: A Graphics object cannot be created from an image that has an indexed pixel format. Tomorrow I'll grab a image that works, and see what specs I can get.