Ok. Didn't like the shot at C++ but he's right. I've seen a little XML in my brief time with web programming and it seems like a nice way to organize some data but for programming something? No way. That would be like going back to assembler and what programmer needs that headache. Object oriented Java based or C++ based are two of the best ways to program. His point about compiler knowledge is an excellent point as well. Sounds to me like Microsoft is making a move to drop support for something while they are getting ready to push a new product onto the market. Sigh, just wish you guys would just stop doing that. A programmers GUI for writing a program? Been there with large scale mainframes and nine times out of ten you have to go back and adjust or completely recode the stuff anyways to get what your business partners want. Using a scripting language to program? Good for presentation, bad for system architecture. And that's my two-cents. :->