Most likely it will be VC 7.1. However, your being intentional inflamatory here. MS has made great improvements in VC7 for standards conformance. -- Where are we going? And why am I in this handbasket?

No..... (snicker) I'm waiting for word to "trickle" out to Monica Lewinski - maybe I can get a free blowjob too. :)

I seen this coming the day I found Visual Assist.

You're right Jim, there is no RAD form designer in VC++.NET. Capitolsoft is currently working on a .NET based form designer that *should* be available with the release of VS.NET. The designer will allow your existing MFC/WTL based RAD C++ controls to work seamlessly with .NET based MC++ controls. Get RadVC today! Play RAD in VC++ http://www.capitolsoft.com

I am not sure - if they are really really serious about it, I might drop working on the VCF for a while, and put that time in towards it, maybe 20+ a week

I second the motion. Works great (but simplistic) and is quite small. Joel Lucsy (jjlucsy@concentric.net)

Guess you'll have to be satisifed with Beta 1 screenshots then http://www.codeproject.com/net/vspreview.asp

Looks like someone is building a smart pointer.;) This guy wrote a nice smart pointer using strong and weak refrences to compensate for circular refrences. Check it out if your interested : http://www.jelovic.com/articles/cpp_without_memory_errors_slides.htm

I'm afraid service packs are not a issue here. The problem exists deep inside comctl32.dll, where list control wndproc lives. From the "Default List View Message Processing" in MSDN: "WM_LBUTTONDOWN: Processed in different ways depending on whether a click or drag operation is being initiated. To determine which operation is involved, the list view control enters a modal message loop until either the button is released or the mouse is moved. [...] If dragging begins over the window background, the list view control enters another modal message loop, enabling the user to form a rectangle by dragging the mouse. Items within the rectangle are selected." The keywords are "modal message loop" - listctrl wndproc uses its own GetMessage/TranslateMessage/DispatchMessage loop, which you can't override - seems that you'll need a hook. Tomasz Sowinski -- http://www.shooltz.com.pl

The VCF Installer is located at ftp://vcf.sourceforge.net/pub/vcf/VCFInstaller.exe If you install this, I recomend allowing the installer to put CVS on your system and then getting the latest version of the code as follows: open a command prompt and go to the root just abover where you put the VCF source, so if you installed to d:\code\vcf, then cd to d:\code enter: cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.vcf.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/vcf login -hit enter when prompted for a password, should return then enter: cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.vcf.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/vcf co vcf

It works OK until your program relies on more memory than is physically available. After that point every pass the garbage collector makes of your memory you swap every page in the programs memory space. Performance suffers, badly. Its the one thing the vendors don't comment on. Its one reason why large programs (such as CAD and GIS programs) will never get done in C# or Java. Re: All the fuss about should I go .Net or not? Depends on if you are writing very large apps or not. If you are, then beware garbage collection. Stephen