I've been programming since 1965, good old FORTRAN, and I've seen this type of comment at least 25 times, maybe more. I do not know what will be the next, but it will boil down to do getting the job done right. Some environments like Lisp, Ada, UML, and others have brought major change to this industry. Some have improved things for us in the front lines to make our jobs easier and to help transition in and out of a project. Taking over an old FORTRAN 'Style' program is not so much fun. It is possible today to design and code in some great languages, like C#, Java, & DotNet, unfortunately there are some people who leave a mess for others to clean up. I do like MFC and Borland-Builder and C# and what ever comes next, but no real leap forward will come if we take the easy-way and not the right-way of expressing our code so both the machine and the man understand what we were try to do. John P. Francis