lopatir wrote:
Oh grow up
Don't be so insulting. It's possible to disagree with someone without acting like a pr1ck. And whether you think so or not, it is still inadvisable to use that word in public.
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French study suggests smokers at lower risk of getting coronavirus[^]
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Sander Rossel wrote:
I assume that's 1.5 million deaths from smoking in a little under four months
Don't forget to take smoking figures with a pinch of snuff[^].
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote:
your ID is just a number
Nonsense! CP looked into his heart...
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QED.
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Sander Rossel wrote:
there have been reports that lockdowns have had a minimum effect
It can be misperceived that way because lockdown was implemented a week or two too late, in all but a few countries, and the death rates that we've been seeing are the victims who were infected before lockdown. When the death rates drop, it's not because the virus has gone away, it's because the lockdown effect has caught up, and less people are infected. E.g. New York should be moving into a "recovery" stage, about now (if too many people didn't badly breach the lockdown), but without the lockdown, the current figures would continue until herd immunity was achieved in New York -- i.e. until everyone who might possibly be killed by the virus is dead, leaving the thinned-out "herd" to survive (until the virus mutates, which it will, to kill another n% of the population). A lot of people in Italy, Spain, and a few US states breached lockdown, in many cases very badly, so their recovery stages have been delayed -- and will continue to be delayed until a few weeks after everyone stops breaching, or until everyone who could die from it is dead. Note that those delays are imposed not by the authorities, but by the life-cycle of the virus.
Sander Rossel wrote:
That would mean the virus would somehow have stopped by itself, but that's, again, speculation.
Not the kind of thing to take a gamble on, given that all evidence that we currently have points in the other direction.
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Nelek wrote:
Seeing the official statistics I would say the % are higher.
It's really hard to tell, because many countries only report deaths if the victim tested positive and died in hospital, and others have other restrictions; and while the number of asymptomatic people is now known to be high, it will be a while before we know how high. But it's possible that neither figure will ever be known with dead-on balls accuracy, so statistical analysis might prove to be more accurate (but we won't know for sure that it is). That said, this is scientific doubt, so don't be swayed by people who misrepresent that as "no-one knows what they're talking about" doubt
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Johnny J. wrote:
They're [this one] now?
If you ever visit the UK, I'd advise avoiding the word I've indicated.
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ZurdoDev wrote:
You can't measure that.
It is being measured in China, South Korea, and even a couple of Western countries. It's a fact.
ZurdoDev wrote:
Not a fact according to other articles
According to all articles written by experts and specialists in the subject, who have been working exclusively on this since it surged. Dr. Phil, newscasters, and twitterers with vested interests need not apply.
ZurdoDev wrote:
Plenty of articles indicate that China has massively under-reported their numbers
Not according to all articles written by experts and specialists in the subject, who have been working exclusively on this since it surged. Dr. Phil, newscasters, and twitterers with vested interests need not apply.
ZurdoDev wrote:
And there it is. "Anyone who disagrees with me facts presented by experts and specialists, who have been working exclusively on this since it surged is either stupid or arrogant."
ZurdoDev wrote:
That is called bigotry being neither stupid nor arrogant, and showing respect toward experts and specialists who know what they're talking about
I also show the same respect to other developers who know what they're talking about. Do you? Or does that depend on their political viewpoints, too?
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Smoking, drinking, and eating cardboard fast food are choices -- you get what you ask for. I don't recall being given a choice about covid-19 -- for which there is no cure, and it won't go away until there is one, which could take a couple of years.
Sander Rossel wrote:
177,000 deaths from COVID-19
Times eight is what? And note that eight is a conservative estimate, given that it took a couple of months for it to gain a foothold in the entire world.
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ZurdoDev wrote:
The problem is that nobody really knows enough about this virus
Facts: • Those who suffer symptoms, whether mild or severe, don't show them for up to a week. • The vast majority of people infected don't even know they've had it. • Because it persists for so long on surfaces (and even in the air) it spreads like wildfire if the infection is mild, severe, or even asymptomatic. • The heavy-handed approach, used in Asian countries, was hugely unpleasant for all concerned, but resulted in fewer people dying than are dying in the West. • It results in a form of pneumonia that is particularly nasty because you don't realise that your lungs are filling with phlegm until they're almost full (so, by the time you're struggling for breath, it's almost too late -- and hospital staff are kinda busy). So we know plenty. Shelter in place, wear masks outside, and stay as far away from people you don't live with as possible. Doing otherwise is tantamount to murder, and, IMO, should be punished accordingly. Anyone saying anything else (except the IMO bit, of course) is doing so for political reasons, or because of either stupidity or arrogance.
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Ignore. You didn't ask what we define as "a programming question"; you asked about something "related to a software developer's life", which is exactly what the Lounge is here for. "I like this, I don't like that" != "How do I code this for my homework assignment" If you had asked a programming question, more than one person would have asked you not to, and (usually the first of them) would have pointed out where you should have asked it.
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There's nothing political about it; it's just data -- about a disease that does not have a political agenda. If people decide to use data about people dying unpleasant deaths to frame political or religious messages or propaganda, they're terrible people, but the data is just data, and denying people the right to discuss such horrible events with their peers strikes me as being somewhat inhumane.
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RickZeeland wrote:
Ni !
Wo bu shi, ni shi!
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I don't like cynicism. Or sarcasm.
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Well, if my theory is right about the reason Germany has such a low covid-19 fatality rate, then my new diet should see me alright. But I'm not going to tell anyone what it is, because I don't want people to start hoarding all the beer and sausa... d'oh!
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Bram van Kampen wrote:
Who the Heck is --H.L.Mencken. a Neo Nazi?
:doh: Might be an idea to look him up, before committing yourself any further to that line of questioning. The [Stokes?] Monkey Trial would be a good place to start.
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I thought she was in Spain.
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Yes, YouTube is my go-to site for facts, too[^].
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Bram van Kampen wrote:
I live in Ireland
Then why are you getting all aeriated about it? Just treat it as higher-quality entertainment than is produced in hollywood. There's not a damned thing you can do about foreign politics, so grab a Murphy's and a bag of popcorn, chill out, and watch the show. Your sphygmomanometer will thank you for making its job easier. You can do something about covid-19, though: wear a mask when you leave the house. That was a major factor in keeping the numbers down in East Asia, so if you don't meet that responsibility, you're in no position to complain about what others do or don't do.
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