I have a Novell CNE. The Novell CNE is not worth the paper it's printed on. Employers do want CERTS. I have been in the industry for almost 20 years now and see a need for Certs. In the Old days you could know just about everthing but today things are getting more complicated and you need to specialize. Maybe I am just getting OLD! Mike -- modified at 23:25 Tuesday 18th April, 2006