yep, you're right. never disagreed with that. but still, I won't use a caterpillar to dig a sand castle. unless I want to live in the sand castle which doesn't sound that wise either. the real problem here is extremism. when you only have a hammer, that hammer is the solution to everything. the guy that said he won't code c# because of having to use a IDE has his hammer and refuses to leave it. he can solve anything with it. the other guys do exactly like him, but with a different hammer. their hammer. well, let them hammer themselves until one gets tired. :P

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R. Giskard Reventlov wrote:

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yep, you two really make a pair. talk about "if you read what I said"... if age is your best argument to defend your point of view instead of understanding that to some "languages" a IDE it's just clutter and to others it's a good handy tool, well, keep talking to your friend, you're a match. besides, this zygote didn't belittled someone experienced opinion based on their age, because, if you're older than me you should know that rationality beats that every day. maybe you failed to learn that on those long long years programming real code. that might be another problem you have. signs of oversized ego belittling everything you don't like so you feel better about what you do. but your're not alone in that. some guys buy oversized cars to solve the same problem. anyway, this is me guessing stuff about you like you did about me. you might even be a good person just with a rage. I will stop now, because you know how they say, you will beat this zygote in experience. *grins*

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if you depend on a IDE, you have problems. if he is that extremist that chooses a solution over a IDE, he has one too. I almost never use IDE's basically because I have no time to lose learning all the tricks I already know on my text editor. I really hate them for the dependency they create on my colleagues that can't think out a bug without an IDE. the almost part its the technological part. if I'm codding java or c# I'll use one. if I'm codding php or javascript, I'm faster at my text editor and I'm used to deal with the bugs on a different way. this is personal to me. my mind got used to this way over the years and changing it now would cost a lot to me and my employee. maybe that guy who told you that has the same problem. his difference from me is the lack of willingness to try. because if my boss tells me use this or that language, I'll put the learning of the IDE on cost of learning the language (win win for me). so, the lack of willingness to try, thats a problem he has. your's is the ability to think that there is no coding without an IDE. you would probably fail at some exams I had when I wasn't even at college (coding tests, yes). :)

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