Agree on all. Wher is the long awaited object database that could fit natrurally with object language Concerning Linq, usage seem to be inside sql server to write easy strored proc in another language, you make your assembly in C# or anything else (VeBe) and use linq to address data work. FoxPro was just a client(-server) tool, is it this 'rich (heavy) client XXV' story ? CS