Pete O'Hanlon wrote: You need to streess things such as increased Return On Investment, lowered operating costs, decreased support costs and the opportunities for enhancement (and I'm not talking about the dodgy spam email type of enhancement). You have to learn how to phrase things to the client, and not to try to dictate to them. I suspect you want to be careful how you phrase that however. If the customer picks a solution based on the contractors specific comments on ROI (for example) then it is possible that actionable terms could exist if that perceived ROI does not materialize.

I agree to a large extent. I have found this attitude in a lot of freshers: The moment the get a job, their learning stops. Some of them even display a sense of arrogance, in that "I know more than you". (Please be informed that I don't have a basic Computer Science degree - I am a Mechanical Engineer by education - B.E., M.E. and Ph.D.). In fact, I remember a person who gave a talk on Huffman Coding; and it got proven during her talk that she had understood it completely wrong - we corrected her, and asked her to prepare better. Further, I see that some of their mathematical fundamentals are weak - they get frightened by the mention of simple sine / cosine functions; and start avoiding. Something has to be done to change the education system. It should become less job-oriented and more knowledge-oriented.

:) Let's agree to disagree! Boris the animal Just Boris.

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Thanks for the report. Fixed in next deploy. cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

LOL, yeah, that is a good one. :laugh: Just because the code works, it doesn't mean that it is good code.

Good catch! :thumbsup: Funnily it has served a good purpose as it turned up a possibly plagiarized article. Cheers! :-D "With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine." Ross Callon, The Twelve Networking Truths, RFC1925

Sorry, I edited it.

Thank you :)

They should bring back "Tour of Mond Nickel Works", bet that went down a storm.

This may be better than actually having him type.

Wjousts wrote: I wouldn't hire anybody who got that upset about an innocuous (but pointless) question. Customers will ask those all the time, and if you can't stop yourself from rolling your eyes or cursing out the customer for being stupid, then I think that's useful to know. What kind of place do you work where you hire a lot of developers that talk to customers? And where the developer is the only person talking to them and perhaps the first person? Normal shops with more than a couple developers are not going to be as productive if they don't hire someone, not a developer, to talk to customers. Professional services groups are of course different however then a PRIMARY skill is customer communications, and of course then one should interview with that in mind. And there are other more sensible ways to do that than asking ridiculous questions because despite the fact that some customers might ask ridiculous questions most will not. And so it would certainly be much more important to have a person that can effectively deal with the entire work load versus hiring someone whose hand holding talents might be best server is a position that has nothing to do with development.

Joan Murt wrote: ...then, being Internet so big it makes it difficult to know what to search. It's been written: water, water, everywhere, and not a drop to drink. Such is the Internet. "I do not have to forgive my enemies, I have had them all shot." — Ramón Maria Narváez (1800-68). "I don't need to shoot my enemies, I don't have any." - Me (2012).

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P.S. On the previous subject, I tried to re-submit that article couple times, every time it would move itself from "Pending" to "Draft" without being released. That seems strange. Professional System Library on www.prosyslib.org

Basic Routing for HttpHandler[^] looks fine from here, and I also see you're editing it and the auto-save draft seems fine too. I edited it a couple of times to fix the formatting and so maybe in between my edits it was being a little weird. cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

...and updated! cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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Cheers! The rating seems to be changing to the better since i wrote about it in the Lounge. I can only hope it will keep this way... Regards, Vitaly Professional System Library on www.prosyslib.com, making it simple for software developers.