Having a life and programming,a oxymoron
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Victor Vogelpoel wrote: How about 'forking' some children? DOn;t you mean spawning a child process? Actually it quite amazing how much programming terminology equates to/from sex/partnerships etc Roger Allen Sonork 100.10016 If I'm not breathing, I'm either dead or holding my breath. A fool jabbers, while a wise man listens. But is he so wise to listen to the fool?
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really...?just conversation? well...coding, compiling, debugging...nightmare for all of us. and it should be done at night. unfortunately...at night we should have some 'compiling and debuging' with someone we love. :laugh: czer
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Jamie Hale wrote: try having kids No can do :(( , my wife is beginning a 2 year course that i'm paying, and during these 2 years, all the expenses are on my own :eek: Jamie Hale wrote: Hobby projects? That'd be nice. Not gonna happen for the next 18 years or so :omg: , this is to dramatic to me .. Jamie, have fun educating your baby, she truly deserves your energy :) Joao Vaz
Joao Vaz wrote: Hobby projects? That'd be nice. Not gonna happen for the next 18 years or so , this is to dramatic to me .. Jamie, have fun educating your baby, she truly deserves your energy I'm kidding of course. Right now we're pretty much on 18-hour baby-entertainment duty. When she's awake, one of us has her, and the other is trying desperately to get done that which we meant to do yesterday. :) Once she starts to entertain herself, and once she starts sleeping more than 4 consecutive hours at night, things will return to a pseudo-normal state. Don't get me wrong - I want nothing more than to raise a happy healthy kidlet. But I still get a little envious of you guys who keep up your hobby projects. :) J
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Victor Vogelpoel wrote: How about 'forking' some children? DOn;t you mean spawning a child process? Actually it quite amazing how much programming terminology equates to/from sex/partnerships etc Roger Allen Sonork 100.10016 If I'm not breathing, I'm either dead or holding my breath. A fool jabbers, while a wise man listens. But is he so wise to listen to the fool?
Well, [accessing very old UNIX memory information from my college years, so no flames, please] "Forking" is cloning the current process, so it can execute a different path than the current process while maintaing the current environment (handles, files, environment settings). "Spawning" is starting another program from the current (eg ShellExecuteEx). Perhaps in Joao's case, this clone will be able to fulfill his programming needs, while the original entertains his wife. ;P VictorV
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Joao Vaz wrote: Hobby projects? That'd be nice. Not gonna happen for the next 18 years or so , this is to dramatic to me .. Jamie, have fun educating your baby, she truly deserves your energy I'm kidding of course. Right now we're pretty much on 18-hour baby-entertainment duty. When she's awake, one of us has her, and the other is trying desperately to get done that which we meant to do yesterday. :) Once she starts to entertain herself, and once she starts sleeping more than 4 consecutive hours at night, things will return to a pseudo-normal state. Don't get me wrong - I want nothing more than to raise a happy healthy kidlet. But I still get a little envious of you guys who keep up your hobby projects. :) J
Hum, Jamie Hale wrote: But I still get a little envious of you guys who keep up your hobby projects You don't have a very valid reason to feel envious ... , due to the unstoppable nature, she will grow up, and you'll have more time to do the things that you're missing. :) Just a thought, cheers Joao Vaz
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Well, [accessing very old UNIX memory information from my college years, so no flames, please] "Forking" is cloning the current process, so it can execute a different path than the current process while maintaing the current environment (handles, files, environment settings). "Spawning" is starting another program from the current (eg ShellExecuteEx). Perhaps in Joao's case, this clone will be able to fulfill his programming needs, while the original entertains his wife. ;P VictorV
Victor Vogelpoel wrote: Forking" is cloning the current process ... and Victor Vogelpoel wrote: "Spawning" is starting another program Very interesting the analogies, that we programmers do :-D Victor Vogelpoel wrote: this clone will be able to fulfill his programming needs, while the original entertains his wife A Very good one :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Joao Vaz
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Tomasz Sowinski wrote: Only talk? No action? LOL I must admit that I was expecting this kind of response :laugh: Regards, Tomasz Joao Vaz
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So....whats the answer. By the original post i kind of think i already know. :-D :-D :cool: /Magnus
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Hum, Jamie Hale wrote: But I still get a little envious of you guys who keep up your hobby projects You don't have a very valid reason to feel envious ... , due to the unstoppable nature, she will grow up, and you'll have more time to do the things that you're missing. :) Just a thought, cheers Joao Vaz
:) Well put. Point taken. :-D J
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i'm in a similar situation (though married for 5+ years now). my wife tries to get me to go to bed the same time she does, but 1/2 the time i get up after she's asleep and creep back to the computer for a couple more hours of hacking. she usually doesn't know until the next day when i look like hell, from not getting enough sleep. plus, when we're watching TV, i'll often get up during commercials to check my email or start a build or tweak a few lines here and there. she says i'm "obsessed". i agree, but don't think it's a bad thing :) there's just not enough time in the day for all the things i want to do. -c
Smaller Animals Software, Inc. You're the icing - on the cake - on the table - at my wake. Modest Mouse
I just got married in October. I also have to go to bed when she does. I can't get up in the middle of the night to code though becuase our matress is just too old and noisy. Need to invest in a Serta. Chris Losinger wrote: there's just not enough time in the day for all the things i want to do. Amen. Jason Gerard
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Joao Vaz wrote: Hobby projects? That'd be nice. Not gonna happen for the next 18 years or so , this is to dramatic to me .. Jamie, have fun educating your baby, she truly deserves your energy I'm kidding of course. Right now we're pretty much on 18-hour baby-entertainment duty. When she's awake, one of us has her, and the other is trying desperately to get done that which we meant to do yesterday. :) Once she starts to entertain herself, and once she starts sleeping more than 4 consecutive hours at night, things will return to a pseudo-normal state. Don't get me wrong - I want nothing more than to raise a happy healthy kidlet. But I still get a little envious of you guys who keep up your hobby projects. :) J
"Once she starts to entertain herself, and once she starts sleeping more than 4 consecutive hours at night, things will return to a pseudo-normal state." Trust me - you will never see this happen. Proud pappa of 2 boys (there goes my code). Phil Boyd MCP CPT, AR Sonork 100.10062 You may be gone, but we will never forget your sacrifice. "Proud to be an American..." Lee Greenwood
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As one other poster mentioned, try having kids. I have a 2-month old little girl at home, and damned if I have enough time or energy to take a nice crap. Hobby projects? That'd be nice. Not gonna happen for the next 18 years or so... :) But I wouldn't trade my life for any others! J
Jamie Hale wrote: As one other poster mentioned, try having kids. I have a 2-month old little girl at home, and damned if I have enough time or energy to take a nice crap. This I can relate to :) I was initiated into parenthood about 4 mo. ago. I estimate my cumulative home computer use since then at about 4 hours. I have a plan however, which is to teach my child in the way of the developer, and eventually double my productivity for work, leaving time for hobby programming :) You may think this is foolish, but already my plan is working better than could be expected. Our little girl is barely one year old and is already generating code with tremendous efficiency. Unfortunately it is encrypted with a proprietary scheme. Until she learns to talk in complete sentences, I don't think we'll be able to decode it :( Regards, Dan
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Hellow fellows CPians, I married recently(setember last year), and if before i married i could code and study for endless nights, for instance breaking my head in C++,Com and multithreading issues, now that I'm married, I never got to do this :eek: , my wife is always bugging to go to bed earlier, she likes to talk a lot in bed, really :-O , but I'm fucking missing all the endless night coding all night long, doing C++ and ATL labs and alike and trying to find a solution :(( To worse the things i'm currently programming in TCL(kinda of perl) and javascript full time X| , so i only could read the technical books about the stuff i like on the train to work :(( (I've spend to much money on programming tech stuff, i admit) So after a lot of thought, I decided to get up 1 1/2 - 2 hours early every day to code a Distributed Program using sockets programming , multithreading and patterns to run on Win32 and linux(i'll get beaten for this :-O ), just to amuse myself :omg: , is this normal , isn't this a disease :confused: , why can't I live a normal life without the need to break my fucking head off ? And why, we many times, have so little spare time, coding afterhours to try to keep the dealine, missing the time to be with the people we love, and after the tiring time passes :confused: , we still love what we do and can't doing a regular mindless job ? Why God, why ? Cheers, and to all of you(CPIANS) keep the good work , on keeping the CodeProject one of the best(if not The BEST) programming portal on all the web, and the most addictive too :omg: Joao Vaz
Sorry to break this to you, mate, but you're doomed. Obviously, I'm half-joking, but while you're married you're going to have to accept that you no longer have control over your life because it's gone from a "me" context to a "we" context. Trust me. I know of what I speak. The first gig I ever had was back in '85. I worked in Amsterdam for Holiday On Ice. The last #2 tram ran from the central station to the Honeywell building (and back) at 2:30am. Literally (no exageration) my biggest decision in life was whether or not go home at 2:30 or pull another all-nighter. I would literally go home so exhausted that I would fall on a mattress on the floor (never even bought a bed - why?), sleep for a few hours, get up, shower and do all over again every day of the week. Hell, I about fell out of my chair the first time I came to states and someone interviewing me remarked "We work a lot of hours around here. Sometimes up to 60 a week." Sounded like vacation to me :) Anyway, while I did "slow down" to 80-90 hour weeks, I basically kept this up for the better part of 6 years until I (somehow) met the woman I married. Needless to say that's when it all changed (just as you're experiencing). I now have two children, a wife and an ex-wife to take care of so while I do work it will never as before because I made a commitment to share my life with another person - not just a paycheck. There's no doubt in my mind that I was a much better code back then than now. However, I was also extremely unhappy and basically hidding from the world in my work. Now I'm not nearly as low-level as I used to be, but I'm a much happier person and actually have stories to tell my kids that don't revolve around semi-colon delimited lines. I guess we all have to find that middle ground that we can live with. By the way, one last tidbit of advice, never fall into the trap of ignoring the ones you love for "one more deadline" or "one more project" because it never ends. There's always another project to get done, another job to try and land. So you blow a deadline? Five years from now you'll scarcely remember the project. Learning this particular lesson cost me my first marriage. Cheers, Tom Archer Author, Inside C# Best mini-putt score = 22
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Wow :-D , Chris Losinger wrote: 1/2 the time i get up after she's asleep and creep back to the computer for a couple more hours of hacking Cool, nice one , i would seriously thinking in doing this :) Chris Losinger wrote: watching TV, i'll often get up during commercials to check my email or start a build :omg: This is a very valid reason to go the computer Thank you, i'll digest your knowlegde of a married man and give a try :) Joao Vaz
Well you don't have to be married to have that experience, I live with my girl friend in the same flat and I am facing the "exactly" same situation. It is really hard to make another person understand, who's not into IT, why this constant tech book reading and source code patching (sometimes only alignments and comments) is needed. I am a signature virus! Help me spread and copy me to your sig! Ooops I am infected
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Sorry to break this to you, mate, but you're doomed. Obviously, I'm half-joking, but while you're married you're going to have to accept that you no longer have control over your life because it's gone from a "me" context to a "we" context. Trust me. I know of what I speak. The first gig I ever had was back in '85. I worked in Amsterdam for Holiday On Ice. The last #2 tram ran from the central station to the Honeywell building (and back) at 2:30am. Literally (no exageration) my biggest decision in life was whether or not go home at 2:30 or pull another all-nighter. I would literally go home so exhausted that I would fall on a mattress on the floor (never even bought a bed - why?), sleep for a few hours, get up, shower and do all over again every day of the week. Hell, I about fell out of my chair the first time I came to states and someone interviewing me remarked "We work a lot of hours around here. Sometimes up to 60 a week." Sounded like vacation to me :) Anyway, while I did "slow down" to 80-90 hour weeks, I basically kept this up for the better part of 6 years until I (somehow) met the woman I married. Needless to say that's when it all changed (just as you're experiencing). I now have two children, a wife and an ex-wife to take care of so while I do work it will never as before because I made a commitment to share my life with another person - not just a paycheck. There's no doubt in my mind that I was a much better code back then than now. However, I was also extremely unhappy and basically hidding from the world in my work. Now I'm not nearly as low-level as I used to be, but I'm a much happier person and actually have stories to tell my kids that don't revolve around semi-colon delimited lines. I guess we all have to find that middle ground that we can live with. By the way, one last tidbit of advice, never fall into the trap of ignoring the ones you love for "one more deadline" or "one more project" because it never ends. There's always another project to get done, another job to try and land. So you blow a deadline? Five years from now you'll scarcely remember the project. Learning this particular lesson cost me my first marriage. Cheers, Tom Archer Author, Inside C# Best mini-putt score = 22
Tom, thank you very much for your advise :-D Tom Archer wrote: There's always another project to get done, another job to try and land. So you blow a deadline? Five years from now you'll scarcely remember the project. Learning this particular lesson cost me my first marriage. A wise advice from a wise person :) Tom , i'm very curious for Inside C# 2nd edition , i don't own the first, but the second appears to be much more appealing. The link http://www.thecodechannel.com/InsideCSharp2EdNotes.asp ,seriously denotes that the Tom Archer wrote: Now I'm not nearly as low-level as I used to be is a bit far away from the truth , especially the msil code at the end of each chapter ;P Back, on the serious side again thanks again, and best wishes of sucess to Inside C# 2nd :) Joao Vaz
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Well you don't have to be married to have that experience, I live with my girl friend in the same flat and I am facing the "exactly" same situation. It is really hard to make another person understand, who's not into IT, why this constant tech book reading and source code patching (sometimes only alignments and comments) is needed. I am a signature virus! Help me spread and copy me to your sig! Ooops I am infected
Martin Bohring wrote: It is really hard to make another person understand, who's not into IT, why this constant tech book reading and source code patching (sometimes only alignments and comments) is needed Yeap, Martin i totally agree with you, but it's life, we must see that computers it's not the central of his life for many people, and we must accept this :) Check Tomas Archer response , it have a lot of very valid advice that comes from his experience. Cheers, Joao Vaz
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Joao Vaz wrote: Hobby projects? That'd be nice. Not gonna happen for the next 18 years or so , this is to dramatic to me .. Jamie, have fun educating your baby, she truly deserves your energy I'm kidding of course. Right now we're pretty much on 18-hour baby-entertainment duty. When she's awake, one of us has her, and the other is trying desperately to get done that which we meant to do yesterday. :) Once she starts to entertain herself, and once she starts sleeping more than 4 consecutive hours at night, things will return to a pseudo-normal state. Don't get me wrong - I want nothing more than to raise a happy healthy kidlet. But I still get a little envious of you guys who keep up your hobby projects. :) J
It gets worse before it gets better. My youngest will be two in 4 months. Right now he is the master of disaster. :eek: I have trouble keeping up with him. I'm thinking when my kids are teenagers I'll have more time. They won't want anything to do with me. The way I look at it, I only have a few years to be with my kids and after they grow up I'll have the rest of my life to do whatever I want. So I try to enjoy the time I have with them. Cathy Life's uncertain, have dessert first!
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Well you don't have to be married to have that experience, I live with my girl friend in the same flat and I am facing the "exactly" same situation. It is really hard to make another person understand, who's not into IT, why this constant tech book reading and source code patching (sometimes only alignments and comments) is needed. I am a signature virus! Help me spread and copy me to your sig! Ooops I am infected
Well then the natural solution would be to have a girlfriend being in IT, too. But after all, I think this is really a bad idea. Need someone with a "real life" to talk about non-computer things. -- See me: www.magerquark.de
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Well then the natural solution would be to have a girlfriend being in IT, too. But after all, I think this is really a bad idea. Need someone with a "real life" to talk about non-computer things. -- See me: www.magerquark.de
Uwe Keim wrote: But after all, I think this is really a bad idea. No, not bad at all. I'm testing this solution about 9 years now. Of course, it helps when she has slightly different IT skills and interests. Tomasz Sowinski -- http://www.shooltz.com
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Hellow fellows CPians, I married recently(setember last year), and if before i married i could code and study for endless nights, for instance breaking my head in C++,Com and multithreading issues, now that I'm married, I never got to do this :eek: , my wife is always bugging to go to bed earlier, she likes to talk a lot in bed, really :-O , but I'm fucking missing all the endless night coding all night long, doing C++ and ATL labs and alike and trying to find a solution :(( To worse the things i'm currently programming in TCL(kinda of perl) and javascript full time X| , so i only could read the technical books about the stuff i like on the train to work :(( (I've spend to much money on programming tech stuff, i admit) So after a lot of thought, I decided to get up 1 1/2 - 2 hours early every day to code a Distributed Program using sockets programming , multithreading and patterns to run on Win32 and linux(i'll get beaten for this :-O ), just to amuse myself :omg: , is this normal , isn't this a disease :confused: , why can't I live a normal life without the need to break my fucking head off ? And why, we many times, have so little spare time, coding afterhours to try to keep the dealine, missing the time to be with the people we love, and after the tiring time passes :confused: , we still love what we do and can't doing a regular mindless job ? Why God, why ? Cheers, and to all of you(CPIANS) keep the good work , on keeping the CodeProject one of the best(if not The BEST) programming portal on all the web, and the most addictive too :omg: Joao Vaz
Joao Vaz wrote: she likes to talk a lot in bed, IS that all ? You poor guy... Joao Vaz wrote: I'm f***ing missing all the endless night coding all night long Talk about that, send her to sleep, then get up again. TCL - yuck. Joao Vaz wrote: why can't I live a normal life without the need to break my f***ing head off ? You're not normal, you're a programmer. Live with it. I come home every night, play with my kids for an hour, then either get on the PC or go to bed with a programming book. We went on three weeks holiday - I learned the insides of iostreams. I don't think our families miss out that much. 'normal' people watch tv night after night and eat pretzels. If you're anything like me, you look to make *real* family time, and then go on to do some work. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little.