The Wonder of Shari'a
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that kgaddy will have difficulty to understand it,just for sake of knowledge,i try to elaborate it. the literall arabic meanings of Shariyah is "Road",often used as sea-shore as well,in Islam,it could be translated as "Road to guidance" in english. What Is shariyah[^],from the site: The law system inspired by the Koran, the Sunna, older Arabic law systems, parallel traditions, and work of Muslim scholars over the two first centuries of Islam. i would like to add my words,i can`t say I would ne 100% correct to explain it as i am not some authentic scholar,would try my best,else if one is sincre to know,he/she could seek alternative muslim source.... Shariyah is related with muslims only,non-muslims have notthing to do with it since its irrelevent for them. second shariyah is not something which is imposed to someone,as my statment is supported by this verse of quran: And now have We set thee (O Muhammad) on a clear road of (Our) commandment; so follow it, and follow not the whims of those who know not.(Quran:45:18) so this verse mentions that its good for muslims to follow it,if not,its their loss..its like that if a mother advises his son not to smoke,she can just advise him,if he lsitens,if not,bad for him,its not mom`s burden now that she didn`t aware the her kid. there are many things in Islam which are MUST, forinstance Prayers(Salat),FASt etc..Shariyah wasn`t asked to be must otherwise every muslim country had shariyah otherwise we were declared as non-muslims. The author further says,which does support my point of view mentioned in the link: Sharia is often referred to as Islamic law, but this is wrong, as only a small part is irrefutably based upon the core Islamic text, the Koran. A correct definition would either be "Islam-inspired", "Islam-derived" or "the law system of Muslims". there is clear difference between implementing the actual system or get inspiration of it.. let me take example of Interest,in arabic its called Ribah,in Islam,Interest is NOT allowed at all,there are banks in pakistan who take interests,while there are bank in Pakistan who are termed as ISLAMIC BANK since they are interest free,you may say those islamic banks followed the Shariyah. its also said that Shariyah or Islam dont support democracy,that is also wrong,the biggest example of democrac
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
Shariyah is related with muslims only,non-muslims have notthing to do with it since its irrelevent for them.
then explain this: Dhimmitude is the status that Islamic law, the Sharia, mandates for non-Muslims, primarily Jews and Christians. Dhimmis, “protected” or “guilty” people, are free to practice their religion in a Sharia regime, but are made subject to a number of humiliating regulations designed to enforce the Qur'an's command that they "feel themselves subdued" (Sura 9:29). This denial of equality of rights and dignity remains part of the Sharia, and, as such, are part of the legal superstructure that global jihadists are laboring through violence to restore everywhere in the Islamic world, and wish ultimately to impose on the entire human race. If dhimmis complained about their inferior status, institutionalized humiliation, or poverty, their masters voided their contract and regarded them as enemies of Islam, fair game as objects of violence. Consequently, dhimmis were generally cowed into silence and worse. It was almost unheard-of to find dhimmis speaking out against their oppressors; to do so would have been suicide. For centuries dhimmi communities in the Islamic world learned to live in peace with their Muslim overlords by acquiescing to their subservience. Some even actively identified with the dominant class, and became strenuous advocates for it. My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
Shariyah is related with muslims only,non-muslims have notthing to do with it since its irrelevent for them.
then explain this: Dhimmitude is the status that Islamic law, the Sharia, mandates for non-Muslims, primarily Jews and Christians. Dhimmis, “protected” or “guilty” people, are free to practice their religion in a Sharia regime, but are made subject to a number of humiliating regulations designed to enforce the Qur'an's command that they "feel themselves subdued" (Sura 9:29). This denial of equality of rights and dignity remains part of the Sharia, and, as such, are part of the legal superstructure that global jihadists are laboring through violence to restore everywhere in the Islamic world, and wish ultimately to impose on the entire human race. If dhimmis complained about their inferior status, institutionalized humiliation, or poverty, their masters voided their contract and regarded them as enemies of Islam, fair game as objects of violence. Consequently, dhimmis were generally cowed into silence and worse. It was almost unheard-of to find dhimmis speaking out against their oppressors; to do so would have been suicide. For centuries dhimmi communities in the Islamic world learned to live in peace with their Muslim overlords by acquiescing to their subservience. Some even actively identified with the dominant class, and became strenuous advocates for it. My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
kgaddy wrote:
then explain this:
nope,first you are gonna admit that you linked up an incident delibrately with shariyah and tried to give impression that shariyah supports it.without having any knowledge about this matter?don`t try to be clever ass wid me while you can`t.. its late nite here,see u in 24 hrs
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kgaddy wrote:
then explain this:
nope,first you are gonna admit that you linked up an incident delibrately with shariyah and tried to give impression that shariyah supports it.without having any knowledge about this matter?don`t try to be clever ass wid me while you can`t.. its late nite here,see u in 24 hrs
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
Shariyah is related with muslims only,non-muslims have notthing to do with it since its irrelevent for them.
then explain this: Dhimmitude is the status that Islamic law, the Sharia, mandates for non-Muslims, primarily Jews and Christians. Dhimmis, “protected” or “guilty” people, are free to practice their religion in a Sharia regime, but are made subject to a number of humiliating regulations designed to enforce the Qur'an's command that they "feel themselves subdued" (Sura 9:29). This denial of equality of rights and dignity remains part of the Sharia, and, as such, are part of the legal superstructure that global jihadists are laboring through violence to restore everywhere in the Islamic world, and wish ultimately to impose on the entire human race. If dhimmis complained about their inferior status, institutionalized humiliation, or poverty, their masters voided their contract and regarded them as enemies of Islam, fair game as objects of violence. Consequently, dhimmis were generally cowed into silence and worse. It was almost unheard-of to find dhimmis speaking out against their oppressors; to do so would have been suicide. For centuries dhimmi communities in the Islamic world learned to live in peace with their Muslim overlords by acquiescing to their subservience. Some even actively identified with the dominant class, and became strenuous advocates for it. My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
Hysteria?? you didn`t answer me that are you admitting that you had NO idea about shariyah and yo linked up an event with it and now when i responded to someone else about it,you skipped the real post and threw another question? Stop being a troll,otherwise ausual you`ll be ign0red
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yes and this is truly not sharia.
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
yes and this is truly not sharia.
Whether it is or not its despicable and barbaric. No Law which treats people unequally on the basis of gender, sexual orientation or race is just, and sharia seems to fail at least two of those tests. Anna :rose: Currently working mostly on: Visual Lint :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
yes and this is truly not sharia.
Whether it is or not its despicable and barbaric. No Law which treats people unequally on the basis of gender, sexual orientation or race is just, and sharia seems to fail at least two of those tests. Anna :rose: Currently working mostly on: Visual Lint :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote:
Whether it is or not its despicable and barbaric.
here you ain`t sure about shariah
Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote:
and sharia seems to fail at least two of those tests.
here you are putting your point of view about shariah so what message are you trying to give your readers?that you know Shariah or you just making statments like kgaddy who always trolls bout islam?
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Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote:
Whether it is or not its despicable and barbaric.
here you ain`t sure about shariah
Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote:
and sharia seems to fail at least two of those tests.
here you are putting your point of view about shariah so what message are you trying to give your readers?that you know Shariah or you just making statments like kgaddy who always trolls bout islam?
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
here you ain`t sure about shariah
No, I merely don't know enough about Iranian so called "Law" to know how close it is to shariah. What I do know is that it is brutal, unjust and vicious.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
here you are putting your point of view about shariah so what message are you trying to give your readers?that you know Shariah or you just making statments like kgaddy who always trolls bout islam?
I don't need to troll hun. You of all people should know that. For what its worth, if shariah were a just law committed to absolute equality and freedom of expression on all fronts for all people - regardless of gender, race, Faith or sexual orientation - I would consider it potentially just. However I get the impression from yourself, othrs and many news reports that it is anything but. That is why I believe it to be unjust, and why I will never visit a country which practices any such law. Given that I am a transsexual lesbian, is that so difficult to understand? Anna :rose: Currently working mostly on: Visual Lint :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
here you ain`t sure about shariah
No, I merely don't know enough about Iranian so called "Law" to know how close it is to shariah. What I do know is that it is brutal, unjust and vicious.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
here you are putting your point of view about shariah so what message are you trying to give your readers?that you know Shariah or you just making statments like kgaddy who always trolls bout islam?
I don't need to troll hun. You of all people should know that. For what its worth, if shariah were a just law committed to absolute equality and freedom of expression on all fronts for all people - regardless of gender, race, Faith or sexual orientation - I would consider it potentially just. However I get the impression from yourself, othrs and many news reports that it is anything but. That is why I believe it to be unjust, and why I will never visit a country which practices any such law. Given that I am a transsexual lesbian, is that so difficult to understand? Anna :rose: Currently working mostly on: Visual Lint :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote:
I don't need to troll hun. You of all people should know that
yeah,thtswhy i was surprised.
Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote:
For what its worth, if shariah were a just law committed to absolute equality and freedom of expression on all fronts for all people - regardless of gender, race, Faith or sexual orientation - I would consider it potentially just.
in similar thread,after 10-15 posts,i have repleid to jorgen about shariyah.if intrested,you may check it out shariyah is english translation of "Road" and according to Islam,it means " road to guidance" you may say arabic translation of any law..like US law, EUropen law,canadian law etc... yes shariah give rights to women like divorce,working outside etc etc, you can`t blame Knife cos a man was injurted due to it,knife is a tool,it could be used to cut fruits as well as fingures,upto you:),hope you got me.
Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote:
However I get the impression from yourself
What impression??
Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote:
why I will never visit a country which practices any such law
i dont know whether you are an american or not..just wana know tht how would u live in a country like america where govt spy on common man?is it not irritated?huh?
Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote:
Given that I am a transsexual lesbian, is that so difficult to understand?
i dont know about lesbians but yes there are transexuals in pakistan,one of the transexual was an actoress in TV dramas and performed well in famous pakistani acton drama Dhuwan[Smoke][^] so being transexual isn`t bad in any religion,a/c to my point of view,its not in someone`s hand Being homosexual is not apprecited in any religion on earth,but again ,no religion preach to kills homosexuals,and yes there are gays and lesbians in pakistan as well.
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Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote:
I don't need to troll hun. You of all people should know that
yeah,thtswhy i was surprised.
Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote:
For what its worth, if shariah were a just law committed to absolute equality and freedom of expression on all fronts for all people - regardless of gender, race, Faith or sexual orientation - I would consider it potentially just.
in similar thread,after 10-15 posts,i have repleid to jorgen about shariyah.if intrested,you may check it out shariyah is english translation of "Road" and according to Islam,it means " road to guidance" you may say arabic translation of any law..like US law, EUropen law,canadian law etc... yes shariah give rights to women like divorce,working outside etc etc, you can`t blame Knife cos a man was injurted due to it,knife is a tool,it could be used to cut fruits as well as fingures,upto you:),hope you got me.
Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote:
However I get the impression from yourself
What impression??
Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote:
why I will never visit a country which practices any such law
i dont know whether you are an american or not..just wana know tht how would u live in a country like america where govt spy on common man?is it not irritated?huh?
Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote:
Given that I am a transsexual lesbian, is that so difficult to understand?
i dont know about lesbians but yes there are transexuals in pakistan,one of the transexual was an actoress in TV dramas and performed well in famous pakistani acton drama Dhuwan[Smoke][^] so being transexual isn`t bad in any religion,a/c to my point of view,its not in someone`s hand Being homosexual is not apprecited in any religion on earth,but again ,no religion preach to kills homosexuals,and yes there are gays and lesbians in pakistan as well.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
in similar thread,after 10-15 posts,i have repleid to jorgen about shariyah.if intrested,you may check it out shariyah is english translation of "Road" and according to Islam,it means " road to guidance" you may say arabic translation of any law..like US law, EUropen law,canadian law etc... yes shariah give rights to women like divorce,working outside etc etc, you can`t blame Knife cos a man was injurted due to it,knife is a tool,it could be used to cut fruits as well as fingures,upto you,hope you got me.
Thanks. I'll have a read. :) If I understand you correctly, you are saying that what is termed sharia law when applied in various nations around the world (including some provinces in Pakistan, I believe) is not that, but something masquerading as it? That being the case, does true shariah law give men and women equal protection and rights under the law? (including within marriage...e.g. does a woman and her husband have the same rights, and neither is considered superior or inferior to the other?) What's your take on laws enforced in (for example) Saudi Arabia which ban women from driving and effectively force them to wear a ritualised form of dress (which surely should be a personal choice, not one mandated by law or society)?
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
i dont know whether you are an american or not..just wana know tht how would u live in a country like america where govt spy on common man?is it not irritated?huh?
Not quite...I'm a Northumbrian by Birth - I come from North East England, but I've lived and worked in the South East for the past 20 years. If you know anything about us as a nation, the one thing you'll know is that we don't particularly care for authority and generally treat our governments with the contempt they earn by their actions. Governments of other nations get equally disdainful treatment too... ;P
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
i dont know about lesbians but yes there are transexuals in pakistan,one of the transexual was an actoress in TV dramas and performed well in famous pakistani acton drama Dhuwan[Smoke][^] so being transexual isn`t bad in any religion,a/c to my point of view,its not in someone`s hand
Oh there are plenty of us around, alright:
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When this[^] have understood what i am trying to say,why are you having difficulty to get it? obviously,you are a dumbass or i say some orthodox christian who believes that Christianity is the only true religion on earth(day dreaming)
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i say some orthodox christian who believes that Christianity is the only true religion on earth(day dreaming)
Are you claiming not to believe that Islam is the 'only true religion' ? Any religion that actually defines the path to God, immediately defines all the other options as being wrong. That's just logical. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
i say some orthodox christian who believes that Christianity is the only true religion on earth(day dreaming)
Are you claiming not to believe that Islam is the 'only true religion' ? Any religion that actually defines the path to God, immediately defines all the other options as being wrong. That's just logical. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
nope i am not,but yes i am claiming that i won`t make any such claim agasint some non-muslim that He is kafir(infidel),therefore he will go hell,we are asked not to say Infidel to non-muslims as it only God knows what is inside his heart,it has happened many times that lots of converts didnt announce it due to some circumstance around them. you wana say that religions manipulate the *path* of God?
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nope i am not,but yes i am claiming that i won`t make any such claim agasint some non-muslim that He is kafir(infidel),therefore he will go hell,we are asked not to say Infidel to non-muslims as it only God knows what is inside his heart,it has happened many times that lots of converts didnt announce it due to some circumstance around them. you wana say that religions manipulate the *path* of God?
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
you wana say that religions manipulate the *path* of God?
They distort and obsfucate it. They cannot change it. So, you don't believe that Islam is THE path to God, but rather A path to God ? Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
you wana say that religions manipulate the *path* of God?
They distort and obsfucate it. They cannot change it. So, you don't believe that Islam is THE path to God, but rather A path to God ? Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
as I already mentioned,i would not publicized it
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as I already mentioned,i would not publicized it
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Does that mean that you do believe Islam is the true path to God, but you're ashamed to say so publically ? Why would you not want to publicise your views ? Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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Does that mean that you do believe Islam is the true path to God, but you're ashamed to say so publically ? Why would you not want to publicise your views ? Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
well because not everyone here keeps same opinion like me as they are not muslims i am not ashamed,rather reserved ,my saying that "Islam is truth" rest is fake could be hurtful for non-Islamic person,that`s all and most important that,A sensible person wouldn`t believe in words of individuals like me,he or she would prefer to read source rahtering believe in someone, for instance one wouldn`t consider christianity a true religion coz u announced it here. my religion teaches me NOT to say Infidel to a non-muslim too as i am not the person who knows what is inside the heart of a person,maybe he wants to hide his belief due to certain reasons.
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well because not everyone here keeps same opinion like me as they are not muslims i am not ashamed,rather reserved ,my saying that "Islam is truth" rest is fake could be hurtful for non-Islamic person,that`s all and most important that,A sensible person wouldn`t believe in words of individuals like me,he or she would prefer to read source rahtering believe in someone, for instance one wouldn`t consider christianity a true religion coz u announced it here. my religion teaches me NOT to say Infidel to a non-muslim too as i am not the person who knows what is inside the heart of a person,maybe he wants to hide his belief due to certain reasons.
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
am not ashamed,rather reserved ,my saying that "Islam is truth" rest is fake could be hurtful for non-Islamic person,that`s all
I guess. Jesus said not to hide your light, so that's the advice I live by. It's not my desire to attack others, or to go out of my way to tell people they are wrong. But when asked ( as I was ), I will answer truthfully. I am not ashamed, nor am I anything less than willing to stand for what I believe.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
and most important that,A sensible person wouldn`t believe in words of individuals like me,he or she would prefer to read source rahtering believe in someone, for instance one wouldn`t consider christianity a true religion coz u announced it here.
Yes, saying something does not make it true. But it does tell you something about the person who is speaking.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
my religion teaches me NOT to say Infidel to a non-muslim
Given that a Muslim cannot be an infidel ( I assume ), this means you can't tell anyone they are an infidel ? Isn't that just someone who is not right with God ? So you have to tell everyone they are OK before God, no matter what they believe ? Wow, Islam is sounding more and more like being an Anglican. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
am not ashamed,rather reserved ,my saying that "Islam is truth" rest is fake could be hurtful for non-Islamic person,that`s all
I guess. Jesus said not to hide your light, so that's the advice I live by. It's not my desire to attack others, or to go out of my way to tell people they are wrong. But when asked ( as I was ), I will answer truthfully. I am not ashamed, nor am I anything less than willing to stand for what I believe.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
and most important that,A sensible person wouldn`t believe in words of individuals like me,he or she would prefer to read source rahtering believe in someone, for instance one wouldn`t consider christianity a true religion coz u announced it here.
Yes, saying something does not make it true. But it does tell you something about the person who is speaking.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
my religion teaches me NOT to say Infidel to a non-muslim
Given that a Muslim cannot be an infidel ( I assume ), this means you can't tell anyone they are an infidel ? Isn't that just someone who is not right with God ? So you have to tell everyone they are OK before God, no matter what they believe ? Wow, Islam is sounding more and more like being an Anglican. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
Christian Graus wrote:
I guess. Jesus said not to hide your light
i think jesus also said NOT to make fun of other beliefs?offocurse i am not against preaching but if i am going on road and see some non-muslim,i am not allowed to call him as "O Kafir or O Infidel" that is not permitted anyway,i am aksed to call him by his name. hope i cleared u here
Christian Graus wrote:
Yes, saying something does not make it true. But it does tell you something about the person who is speaking
that`s my point,maybe i have no clear idea of the religion and i am manipulating it and showing it as an extreeme belief,that what was done by oSama like ppl,presented islam in wrong manner which is actually not.if one really wana know about islam or any other religion,then should refer the main source like bible,quran etc.
Christian Graus wrote:
Given that a Muslim cannot be an infidel ( I assume ), this means you can't tell anyone they are an infidel ? Isn't that just someone who is not right with God ? So you have to tell everyone they are OK before God, no matter what they believe ?
here infiedel means one who rejects God or teaching of God,for muslims,iNfields means noone else but a non-muslim but as i said,its matter of how you talk to a person,and other point as i had made that i cant figure out by appearance of anyone that he is christian or a muslim,if i go church on every sunday,will I be considered a Chiristian?offcourse not,maybe i am doing coz i live in a society where muslims are in minority and there is risk to expose my current belief.
Christian Graus wrote:
So you have to tell everyone they are OK before God, no matter what they believe ?
as i said,you cant check the heart of anyone at all,noone writes name of his religion on his forehead
Christian Graus wrote:
Wow, Islam is sounding more and more like being an Anglican.
no,its rather sounding logical,its just you are not getting it
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Christian Graus wrote:
I guess. Jesus said not to hide your light
i think jesus also said NOT to make fun of other beliefs?offocurse i am not against preaching but if i am going on road and see some non-muslim,i am not allowed to call him as "O Kafir or O Infidel" that is not permitted anyway,i am aksed to call him by his name. hope i cleared u here
Christian Graus wrote:
Yes, saying something does not make it true. But it does tell you something about the person who is speaking
that`s my point,maybe i have no clear idea of the religion and i am manipulating it and showing it as an extreeme belief,that what was done by oSama like ppl,presented islam in wrong manner which is actually not.if one really wana know about islam or any other religion,then should refer the main source like bible,quran etc.
Christian Graus wrote:
Given that a Muslim cannot be an infidel ( I assume ), this means you can't tell anyone they are an infidel ? Isn't that just someone who is not right with God ? So you have to tell everyone they are OK before God, no matter what they believe ?
here infiedel means one who rejects God or teaching of God,for muslims,iNfields means noone else but a non-muslim but as i said,its matter of how you talk to a person,and other point as i had made that i cant figure out by appearance of anyone that he is christian or a muslim,if i go church on every sunday,will I be considered a Chiristian?offcourse not,maybe i am doing coz i live in a society where muslims are in minority and there is risk to expose my current belief.
Christian Graus wrote:
So you have to tell everyone they are OK before God, no matter what they believe ?
as i said,you cant check the heart of anyone at all,noone writes name of his religion on his forehead
Christian Graus wrote:
Wow, Islam is sounding more and more like being an Anglican.
no,its rather sounding logical,its just you are not getting it
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
think jesus also said NOT to make fun of other beliefs?
You're kidding, right ?
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
hope i cleared u here
No, because I wouldn't treat anyone like that, either. I didn't expect you would, I'm just surprised you wouldn't answer a direct question that cuts to the core of what Islam means to you.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
if one really wana know about islam or any other religion,then should refer the main source like bible,quran etc.
OK, the Bible concept is definately the reverse, of God sending His people out to be His mouthpiece, and to represent Him through their words and actions.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
no,its rather sounding logical,its just you are not getting it
I'm sure it makes sense to you. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
think jesus also said NOT to make fun of other beliefs?
You're kidding, right ?
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
hope i cleared u here
No, because I wouldn't treat anyone like that, either. I didn't expect you would, I'm just surprised you wouldn't answer a direct question that cuts to the core of what Islam means to you.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
if one really wana know about islam or any other religion,then should refer the main source like bible,quran etc.
OK, the Bible concept is definately the reverse, of God sending His people out to be His mouthpiece, and to represent Him through their words and actions.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
no,its rather sounding logical,its just you are not getting it
I'm sure it makes sense to you. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
Christian Graus wrote:
You're kidding, right ?
i am not,are you trying to give an evil impression about Jesus that He has allowed his followers to make fun of others` beliefs??
Christian Graus wrote:
No, because I wouldn't treat anyone like that, either. I didn't expect you would, I'm just surprised you wouldn't answer a direct question that cuts to the core of what Islam means to you.
which question?if u meant what i think about islam ,whether its truth or not,then as i said i would simply ignore the question,not cos i dnt have answer,just because you arleady know what i think about my own religion. if i make a statment like Islam is true religion,Jews and christians follow false God,then you would be the first one to call me a fanatic. Yes,if someone comes me and ask about Islam i would defnitatly explain him but We dont grab arms of anyone on road and tell him that "you know islam is truth rest is false",thats not sensible ,nor its allowed. as i said we dont have cncept of missionaries who gives bribe to other for convertion.
Christian Graus wrote:
OK, the Bible concept is definately the reverse, of God sending His people out to be His mouthpiece, and to represent Him through their words and actions.
i am not against it,offcourse if i say myself a muslim by mouth and follow it truly and some non-muslim like you watch me,you would surely think that this is what islam is,and history has proved that many non-muslims accepted islam due to ACTS of individuals. but wht if you encounter a person like Zaharwi of Iraq or Osama,you would certaily say YIKES and would hate islam.. Thats whyu its preferred to go and read source too,and this happens in christianity as well.
Christian Graus wrote:
I'm sure it makes sense to you.
i am sure it made sense to millions around world?not me?:)
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Christian Graus wrote:
You're kidding, right ?
i am not,are you trying to give an evil impression about Jesus that He has allowed his followers to make fun of others` beliefs??
Christian Graus wrote:
No, because I wouldn't treat anyone like that, either. I didn't expect you would, I'm just surprised you wouldn't answer a direct question that cuts to the core of what Islam means to you.
which question?if u meant what i think about islam ,whether its truth or not,then as i said i would simply ignore the question,not cos i dnt have answer,just because you arleady know what i think about my own religion. if i make a statment like Islam is true religion,Jews and christians follow false God,then you would be the first one to call me a fanatic. Yes,if someone comes me and ask about Islam i would defnitatly explain him but We dont grab arms of anyone on road and tell him that "you know islam is truth rest is false",thats not sensible ,nor its allowed. as i said we dont have cncept of missionaries who gives bribe to other for convertion.
Christian Graus wrote:
OK, the Bible concept is definately the reverse, of God sending His people out to be His mouthpiece, and to represent Him through their words and actions.
i am not against it,offcourse if i say myself a muslim by mouth and follow it truly and some non-muslim like you watch me,you would surely think that this is what islam is,and history has proved that many non-muslims accepted islam due to ACTS of individuals. but wht if you encounter a person like Zaharwi of Iraq or Osama,you would certaily say YIKES and would hate islam.. Thats whyu its preferred to go and read source too,and this happens in christianity as well.
Christian Graus wrote:
I'm sure it makes sense to you.
i am sure it made sense to millions around world?not me?:)
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
i am not,are you trying to give an evil impression about Jesus that He has allowed his followers to make fun of others` beliefs??
There's nothing evil about standing for truth. Jesus gave absolutely no instruction regarding respecting other people's beliefs, especially to the point of failing to correct them when they are incorrect.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
if i make a statment like Islam is true religion,Jews and christians follow false God,then you would be the first one to call me a fanatic.
No, I would accept that Islam, Judaism and Christianity are all mutually exclusive of one another. If you don't choose one, you've rejected them all.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
as i said we dont have cncept of missionaries who gives bribe to other for convertion.
Nor do we, that's just dumb. But, we certainly seek to tell people about it. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++