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  • J Jeremy Falcon

    computerguru92382 wrote:

    needs to thank God they have a good jog

    Hell yeah! Nothing like a good jog in the morning. ;P [edit] Ordering is messed up again. [/edit] Jeremy Falcon

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    Mircea Grelus
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    :laugh::laugh::laugh: Man, that was funny! regards, Mircea Many people spend their life going to sleep when they’re not sleepy and waking up while they still are.

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      Thanks for the link. Will keep for future :)

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      computerguru92382 wrote:

      Thanks for the link. Will keep for future

      well... it's not filled yet. At least one position isn't. Flying someone out for interview later this month. But I wasn't going to lie to you, there is some strong candidates, though we have yet to find that perfect "math, physics, GUI, 3D, developer with a masters or a PhD willing to move to the middle of nowhere." _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

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      • J Joe Woodbury

        I very strongly believe that a Senior Developer must have at least 7 years actual design and development experience, preferably 10. It isn't a matter of just working hard or extra hours, but years of on-the-job experience learning what works and what doesn't. (I also have a problem with developers who move into management for several years and when they move back into development expect to be made senior engineers based on years of work experience, not years of development work experience. [At the risk of offending some people here, I've found that most, but not all, such developers are a royal pain the ass.]) Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke

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        Nish Nishant
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        Joe Woodbury wrote:

        I very strongly believe that a Senior Developer must have at least 7 years actual design and development experience, preferably 10.

        Some of the Lead Program Managers at Microsoft are in their mid 20s, usually 25-27, and often have less than 5 years of professional experience. And they are really good too. So numbers often do not tell the real story. Regards, Nish


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          Joe Woodbury wrote:

          I very strongly believe that a Senior Developer must have at least 7 years actual design and development experience, preferably 10.

          Some of the Lead Program Managers at Microsoft are in their mid 20s, usually 25-27, and often have less than 5 years of professional experience. And they are really good too. So numbers often do not tell the real story. Regards, Nish


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          Jeremy Falcon
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          Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

          professional experience

          Yeah, but I'm sure they've had a lot of non-professional experience to go along with that. Jeremy Falcon

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          • J Jeremy Falcon

            Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

            professional experience

            Yeah, but I'm sure they've had a lot of non-professional experience to go along with that. Jeremy Falcon

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            Jeremy Falcon wrote:

            Yeah, but I'm sure they've had a lot of non-professional experience to go along with that.

            Yeah, probably the sorts who write compilers when they are 14. Regards, Nish


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            • P Paul Conrad

              dynam0k2atgmaildotcom wrote:

              The salary was quite not what I was expecting (around 70k)

              What is the problem? Many of us would be happy to make that :mad:

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              code frog 0
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              I don't think it's fair at all to judge this. We don't know the work required. We don't know anything about what's involved. Whether it's 70K or 35K doesn't matter. Obviously, there's a reason for disgruntlement and it goes beyond the wage. I think he's just framing the whole context for his state of mind and what's affecting his decisions. If I told you guys how much I made you'd wish you were me... If I told you how much I worked you'd be glad you weren't... If I told you what my expenses were to operate including taxes and other fees you'd be ill... I won't tell you any of that though. ;) I will say that after being an employee and now self employed there's nothing I'd rather be doing than working for myself. It's the best.:rose:

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                :laugh::laugh::laugh: Man, that was funny! regards, Mircea Many people spend their life going to sleep when they’re not sleepy and waking up while they still are.

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                Yeah, I'd like to go for a good jog but living in the high altitude and being not in the shape I was in during high school, makes it difficult :)

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                  computerguru92382 wrote:

                  Thanks for the link. Will keep for future

                  well... it's not filled yet. At least one position isn't. Flying someone out for interview later this month. But I wasn't going to lie to you, there is some strong candidates, though we have yet to find that perfect "math, physics, GUI, 3D, developer with a masters or a PhD willing to move to the middle of nowhere." _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

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                  Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:

                  middle of nowhere

                  Whereabouts? I am pretty settled in where I am :)

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                  • P Paul Conrad

                    Yeah, I'd like to go for a good jog but living in the high altitude and being not in the shape I was in during high school, makes it difficult :)

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                    Mircea Grelus
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                    Speaking about jogging, I would love to do it too, but the wheater just doesn't let me. It's so freakin cold my lungs would freeze. regards, Mircea Many people spend their life going to sleep when they’re not sleepy and waking up while they still are.

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                    • P Paul Conrad

                      Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:

                      middle of nowhere

                      Whereabouts? I am pretty settled in where I am :)

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                      computerguru92382 wrote:

                      Whereabouts? I am pretty settled in where I am

                      Look north from El Paso, TX... and spit. There we are. ;) the white stain on the ground is from everyone else doing the same... :laugh: _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

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                        I've been doing .NET contract work for about the last 2 1/2 years, focusing on C#, WinForms and SQL Server Stored Procedures. I have just recently been converted to permanent (about a month ago). This position was my second IT contract. The salary was quite not what I was expecting (around 70k), but the company is a start-up with some great ideas, a lot of capital, and a lot of smart people behind the helm. It barely has an IT department, so one of the major appeals was being able to get in on the ground floor. I was assured by my project manager that if I stayed on board, I would achieve Sr. Level Developer status. This also interested me. We have one senior level developer already on board, who has about five-seven years in the industry. He has recently accepted another position with a different company, so I was looking forward to stepping into his shoes, as my project manager led me to believe I would be able to do multiple times. I was being trained on the different areas that I would need to know to take over his position, and I had not received any complaints. As a matter of fact, my manager had asked me to step up to bat and fill in for him at this time, and to quote "make me proud". Well, today my project manager hired another Sr. Level Developer to replace him, so I'm left wondering what happened? Was my project manager simply trying to tell me what I want to hear to come on-board full-time? Don't get me wrong, I'm happy to have a full-time position and to be able to work for this company, but, somehow, I feel a little cheated. I may sound over-ambitious. I'm only 25 and have been doing this only 2-3 years, but I've been busting my ass for this company, working late nights (often until midnight or into the early morning hours), giving up weekends and corporate holidays to meet deadlines, and doing all that was necessary to get the job done on time. Any opinions?

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                        dynam0k2atgmaildotcom wrote:

                        but I've been busting my ass for this company, working late nights (often until midnight or into the early morning hours), giving up weekends and corporate holidays to meet deadlines, and doing all that was necessary to get the job done on time.

                        Well, I may sound really sarcastic saying this, but you don't owe them anything beyond 8-5, and they certainly won't treat you like anything other than a replaceable resource. It's a hard lesson to learn. Marc Pensieve Functional Entanglement vs. Code Entanglement Static Classes Make For Rigid Architectures

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                          I don't think it's fair at all to judge this. We don't know the work required. We don't know anything about what's involved. Whether it's 70K or 35K doesn't matter. Obviously, there's a reason for disgruntlement and it goes beyond the wage. I think he's just framing the whole context for his state of mind and what's affecting his decisions. If I told you guys how much I made you'd wish you were me... If I told you how much I worked you'd be glad you weren't... If I told you what my expenses were to operate including taxes and other fees you'd be ill... I won't tell you any of that though. ;) I will say that after being an employee and now self employed there's nothing I'd rather be doing than working for myself. It's the best.:rose:

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                          code-frog wrote:

                          If I told you guys how much I made you'd wish you were me... If I told you how much I worked you'd be glad you weren't... If I told you what my expenses were to operate including taxes and other fees you'd be ill...

                          A) Nope, I prefer being myself... I spent too many years being molded into someone else... THAT was illness. B) Same issue, would have never considered being someone else. :) but I might encourage you to relax a bit. ;) C) Nope, I am familiar with operational expenses on the... err... grander scale, I'd probably shrug.

                          code-frog wrote:

                          I will say that after being an employee and now self employed there's nothing I'd rather be doing than working for myself. It's the best.

                          That is what is important, regardless of salary, or position, or location, if you are happy, that is what is most important. If you are just "satisfied" perhaps it is time to look about. If you are unhappy, look before you get ulcers. :) _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

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                            dynam0k2atgmaildotcom wrote:

                            but I've been busting my ass for this company, working late nights (often until midnight or into the early morning hours), giving up weekends and corporate holidays to meet deadlines, and doing all that was necessary to get the job done on time.

                            Well, I may sound really sarcastic saying this, but you don't owe them anything beyond 8-5, and they certainly won't treat you like anything other than a replaceable resource. It's a hard lesson to learn. Marc Pensieve Functional Entanglement vs. Code Entanglement Static Classes Make For Rigid Architectures

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                            Marc Clifton wrote:

                            Well, I may sound really sarcastic saying this, but you don't owe them anything beyond 8-5, and they certainly won't treat you like anything other than a replaceable resource.

                            Yes. It's that last part that most people don't think too much off - that every employee is replaceable.

                            Marc Clifton wrote:

                            It's a hard lesson to learn.

                            Again, yes. My 5. Regards, Nish


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                              computerguru92382 wrote:

                              Whereabouts? I am pretty settled in where I am

                              Look north from El Paso, TX... and spit. There we are. ;) the white stain on the ground is from everyone else doing the same... :laugh: _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

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                              In Las Cruces? Either way I am about 10 hours up I-10 from you :)

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                                Speaking about jogging, I would love to do it too, but the wheater just doesn't let me. It's so freakin cold my lungs would freeze. regards, Mircea Many people spend their life going to sleep when they’re not sleepy and waking up while they still are.

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                                Mircea Grelus wrote:

                                It's so freakin cold my lungs would freeze.

                                How cold is it where you are?

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                                  I don't think it's fair at all to judge this. We don't know the work required. We don't know anything about what's involved. Whether it's 70K or 35K doesn't matter. Obviously, there's a reason for disgruntlement and it goes beyond the wage. I think he's just framing the whole context for his state of mind and what's affecting his decisions. If I told you guys how much I made you'd wish you were me... If I told you how much I worked you'd be glad you weren't... If I told you what my expenses were to operate including taxes and other fees you'd be ill... I won't tell you any of that though. ;) I will say that after being an employee and now self employed there's nothing I'd rather be doing than working for myself. It's the best.:rose:

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                                  code-frog wrote:

                                  I will say that after being an employee and now self employed there's nothing I'd rather be doing than working for myself. It's the best.

                                  I'd be interested in knowing how you got started. I mean, where did you go for initial contacts, etc. Jeremy Falcon

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                                    In Las Cruces? Either way I am about 10 hours up I-10 from you :)

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                                    computerguru92382 wrote:

                                    In Las Cruces? Either way I am about 10 hours up I-10 from you

                                    It's just a jump to the east.... I have actually been out to the LA area several times, between customers north of there, and conferences in LA and a vacation at Yosemite... I have spent more time in the L.A. area than I have with family. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

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                                    • J Jeremy Falcon

                                      Well put. Sometimes you have to grab life by the balls and run with it. Jeremy Falcon

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                                      Sounds a bit gay to me. Steve

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                                        computerguru92382 wrote:

                                        In Las Cruces? Either way I am about 10 hours up I-10 from you

                                        It's just a jump to the east.... I have actually been out to the LA area several times, between customers north of there, and conferences in LA and a vacation at Yosemite... I have spent more time in the L.A. area than I have with family. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

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                                        I am about 15 miles or so north of San Bernardino in the mountains enjoying the 30" of snow we got this weekend :-D

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                                          And I am about to graduate with a Master's in Computer Sci with 10+ years IT experience. Cannot attract anyone's attention for a good paying job (by my standard right now, would be 50K+/yr) and he is having an issue about 70k? Sounds like someone needs to thank God they have a good job :)

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                                          I agree - Perhaps he shouldn't rock the boat. Steve

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