Popularity of programming languages
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PHP is it's own language - what language would ASP.NET map to?
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C# or VB.NET, I guess... Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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Clickety[^] I was discussing with Nish about this yesterday. I had no doubts about Java being the most popular (esp. because of schools) but what is surprising is the difference between popularity of C# and Java. No surprises about VB.NET I have seen many former VB programmers moving to C#. Another surprising thing is that Ruby doesnot figure in the top 20 and that COBOL figures. I have serious doubts about some of the statistics that is presented. What do you guys think?
I guess the question is, popular with who ? Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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Clickety[^] I was discussing with Nish about this yesterday. I had no doubts about Java being the most popular (esp. because of schools) but what is surprising is the difference between popularity of C# and Java. No surprises about VB.NET I have seen many former VB programmers moving to C#. Another surprising thing is that Ruby doesnot figure in the top 20 and that COBOL figures. I have serious doubts about some of the statistics that is presented. What do you guys think?
One can argue the selection of architecture vs. language+architecture making unfair splits of "languages" but that looks "reasonable" from my experience. It could easily be manipulated by statistics, and the assumption is "high score == popularity" which may be a big assumption.
The ratings are calculated by counting hits of the most popular search engines.Cobol being around for a long time gets hits just from new people saying ":wtf: is Cobol". Ada and Pascal will unfortunately get bonuses for historical references to names. Cobol is getting a resurgance with OO version of Cobol2002, but again that pretty much leaves the search results mostly from people curious more than supporters. Lisp is used as a scripting language for things like Autocad, as well as the historical references in AI and jokes about old timers "talking with a Lisp" leaves the new folks again saying :wtf: and searching and boosting the "popularity" score.... A high searching score may mean high popularity during a search, but may indicate curiosity more than popularity of the language, assumptions of popularity based on google searches. Plus if you google-battle C++ vs Java then google-battle Java vs C then google-battle Java vs C# you just boosted Java with three searches vs. one for each of the others. :) _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) -
Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
Another surprising thing is that Ruby doesnot figure in the top 20 and that COBOL figures.
That's what being around for thirty-some more years will do, i guess. ;)
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Shog9 wrote:
That's what being around for thirty-some more years will do, i guess.
Or could mean that Cobol jokes (Cobol causes brain damage) are leaving new programmers curiously querying Cobol. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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or maybe ... NETCOBOL[^] ... nah. More likely the fact that there are probably thousands of mainframes out there, still running COBOL based applications that won't be replaced because (1) they just work and (2) companies have better things to spend money on than replacing applications that, well, just work ...
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Bad Astronomy |Development Blogging|Viksoe.dk's Siteor COBOL2002 initiative.... oops I googled, I just boosted COBOL's ranking.... http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=cobol+2002[^] :laugh: _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Shog9 wrote:
That's what being around for thirty-some more years will do, i guess.
Or could mean that Cobol jokes (Cobol causes brain damage) are leaving new programmers curiously querying Cobol. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
It looks like the results are based on search results, not # of searches, so unless the new programmers are posting lots of questions on lots of indexed message boards it shouldn't matter. :~
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Clickety[^] I was discussing with Nish about this yesterday. I had no doubts about Java being the most popular (esp. because of schools) but what is surprising is the difference between popularity of C# and Java. No surprises about VB.NET I have seen many former VB programmers moving to C#. Another surprising thing is that Ruby doesnot figure in the top 20 and that COBOL figures. I have serious doubts about some of the statistics that is presented. What do you guys think?
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It looks like the results are based on search results, not # of searches, so unless the new programmers are posting lots of questions on lots of indexed message boards it shouldn't matter. :~
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Shog9 wrote:
It looks like the results are based on search results, not # of searches, so unless the new programmers are posting lots of questions on lots of indexed message boards it shouldn't matter.
CP shows up in google... just imagine what this thread is generating! ;) If we go multi-page we'll generate more results.... Forums make interesting additions to searches because the results get stretched, signatures about Cobol causing brain damage are still pretty common. A thread comparing even the change in hatred of Cobol to the new hatred of VB boosts both. :) So yes, questions, comments, jokes, signatures all make a change in results. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Clickety[^] I was discussing with Nish about this yesterday. I had no doubts about Java being the most popular (esp. because of schools) but what is surprising is the difference between popularity of C# and Java. No surprises about VB.NET I have seen many former VB programmers moving to C#. Another surprising thing is that Ruby doesnot figure in the top 20 and that COBOL figures. I have serious doubts about some of the statistics that is presented. What do you guys think?
The ratings are based on the world-wide availability of skilled engineers, courses and third party vendors. That really has no bearing on what people actually use. Marc Pensieve Functional Entanglement vs. Code Entanglement Static Classes Make For Rigid Architectures
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Shog9 wrote:
It looks like the results are based on search results, not # of searches, so unless the new programmers are posting lots of questions on lots of indexed message boards it shouldn't matter.
CP shows up in google... just imagine what this thread is generating! ;) If we go multi-page we'll generate more results.... Forums make interesting additions to searches because the results get stretched, signatures about Cobol causing brain damage are still pretty common. A thread comparing even the change in hatred of Cobol to the new hatred of VB boosts both. :) So yes, questions, comments, jokes, signatures all make a change in results. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:
CP shows up in google...
Heh... The forums aren't supposed to. But looks like Chris has a different robots.txt file for secure.codeproject.com, so they end up being indexed anyway. Oops...
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The ratings are based on the world-wide availability of skilled engineers, courses and third party vendors. That really has no bearing on what people actually use. Marc Pensieve Functional Entanglement vs. Code Entanglement Static Classes Make For Rigid Architectures
Yes it does. Markets always indicate popularity. It's supply and demand in action. Jeremy Falcon
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Im astounded that the PlainEnglish(tm) language isnt there, or maybe PlainItalian, PlainCroation or one of those other wonderful languages.
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The ratings are based on the world-wide availability of skilled engineers, courses and third party vendors. That really has no bearing on what people actually use. Marc Pensieve Functional Entanglement vs. Code Entanglement Static Classes Make For Rigid Architectures
Marc Clifton wrote:
That really has no bearing on what people actually use.
My resume is also in I think 5 different locations/pages (maybe more).... the net result is 5 times my experiences. Considering I think each resume was abandoned at different times, they all have a slight variant of growing languages, so all produce slightly different weights. However, since Basic, Pascal, Fortran and COBOL were all early on my list, those get a boost by each version of the resume. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Im astounded that the PlainEnglish(tm) language isnt there, or maybe PlainItalian, PlainCroation or one of those other wonderful languages.
You should check out the new version, it's called Plain Telepathy Programming (PTP). Here's some example code...
Jeremy Falcon
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You should check out the new version, it's called Plain Telepathy Programming (PTP). Here's some example code...
Jeremy Falcon
:mad: Do you have to use foul language in your comments? You could've at least removed them before posting them in the lounge. X|
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Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:
CP shows up in google...
Heh... The forums aren't supposed to. But looks like Chris has a different robots.txt file for secure.codeproject.com, so they end up being indexed anyway. Oops...
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Shog9 wrote:
Heh... The forums aren't supposed to. But looks like Chris has a different robots.txt file for secure.codeproject.com, so they end up being indexed anyway. Oops...
some do, some don't, I didn't realize they weren't supposed to -- in fact my blog showed my machine specs in google during a query on hardware yesterday. Even if they didn't discussions at other locations show up. You can still find my discussions when I was learning 3D back in 1994 on a few mail-lists! It is surprising the ancient junk that has been abandonded (even by me) and still shows up to weight down a search. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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:mad: Do you have to use foul language in your comments? You could've at least removed them before posting them in the lounge. X|
After using PTP, yes I do. :) Jeremy Falcon
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Yes it does. Markets always indicate popularity. It's supply and demand in action. Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Markets always indicate popularity. It's supply and demand in action.
Markets do, but how analysts digest the vast amount of market information is usually the problem. That's what I was pointing out--I don't think the three measures they've chosen indicate actual popularity based on programmers sitting in front of their machines and coding. Marc Pensieve Functional Entanglement vs. Code Entanglement Static Classes Make For Rigid Architectures
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Clickety[^] I was discussing with Nish about this yesterday. I had no doubts about Java being the most popular (esp. because of schools) but what is surprising is the difference between popularity of C# and Java. No surprises about VB.NET I have seen many former VB programmers moving to C#. Another surprising thing is that Ruby doesnot figure in the top 20 and that COBOL figures. I have serious doubts about some of the statistics that is presented. What do you guys think?
Ruby is still very new and is competing with Perl. The tigress is here :-D
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Shog9 wrote:
That's what being around for thirty-some more years will do, i guess.
Or could mean that Cobol jokes (Cobol causes brain damage) are leaving new programmers curiously querying Cobol. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
I've been coding COBOL for 19 years and I can definitely say I have brain damage. X| Our shop is still 90% COBOL on a mainframe environment. :^) Lost in the vast sea of .NET