Popularity of programming languages
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or maybe ... NETCOBOL[^] ... nah. More likely the fact that there are probably thousands of mainframes out there, still running COBOL based applications that won't be replaced because (1) they just work and (2) companies have better things to spend money on than replacing applications that, well, just work ...
:..::. Douglas H. Troy ::..
Bad Astronomy |Development Blogging|Viksoe.dk's Siteor COBOL2002 initiative.... oops I googled, I just boosted COBOL's ranking.... http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=cobol+2002[^] :laugh: _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Shog9 wrote:
That's what being around for thirty-some more years will do, i guess.
Or could mean that Cobol jokes (Cobol causes brain damage) are leaving new programmers curiously querying Cobol. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
It looks like the results are based on search results, not # of searches, so unless the new programmers are posting lots of questions on lots of indexed message boards it shouldn't matter. :~
Now taking suggestions for the next release of CPhog...
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Clickety[^] I was discussing with Nish about this yesterday. I had no doubts about Java being the most popular (esp. because of schools) but what is surprising is the difference between popularity of C# and Java. No surprises about VB.NET I have seen many former VB programmers moving to C#. Another surprising thing is that Ruby doesnot figure in the top 20 and that COBOL figures. I have serious doubts about some of the statistics that is presented. What do you guys think?
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It looks like the results are based on search results, not # of searches, so unless the new programmers are posting lots of questions on lots of indexed message boards it shouldn't matter. :~
Now taking suggestions for the next release of CPhog...
Shog9 wrote:
It looks like the results are based on search results, not # of searches, so unless the new programmers are posting lots of questions on lots of indexed message boards it shouldn't matter.
CP shows up in google... just imagine what this thread is generating! ;) If we go multi-page we'll generate more results.... Forums make interesting additions to searches because the results get stretched, signatures about Cobol causing brain damage are still pretty common. A thread comparing even the change in hatred of Cobol to the new hatred of VB boosts both. :) So yes, questions, comments, jokes, signatures all make a change in results. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Clickety[^] I was discussing with Nish about this yesterday. I had no doubts about Java being the most popular (esp. because of schools) but what is surprising is the difference between popularity of C# and Java. No surprises about VB.NET I have seen many former VB programmers moving to C#. Another surprising thing is that Ruby doesnot figure in the top 20 and that COBOL figures. I have serious doubts about some of the statistics that is presented. What do you guys think?
The ratings are based on the world-wide availability of skilled engineers, courses and third party vendors. That really has no bearing on what people actually use. Marc Pensieve Functional Entanglement vs. Code Entanglement Static Classes Make For Rigid Architectures
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Shog9 wrote:
It looks like the results are based on search results, not # of searches, so unless the new programmers are posting lots of questions on lots of indexed message boards it shouldn't matter.
CP shows up in google... just imagine what this thread is generating! ;) If we go multi-page we'll generate more results.... Forums make interesting additions to searches because the results get stretched, signatures about Cobol causing brain damage are still pretty common. A thread comparing even the change in hatred of Cobol to the new hatred of VB boosts both. :) So yes, questions, comments, jokes, signatures all make a change in results. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:
CP shows up in google...
Heh... The forums aren't supposed to. But looks like Chris has a different robots.txt file for secure.codeproject.com, so they end up being indexed anyway. Oops...
Now taking suggestions for the next release of CPhog...
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The ratings are based on the world-wide availability of skilled engineers, courses and third party vendors. That really has no bearing on what people actually use. Marc Pensieve Functional Entanglement vs. Code Entanglement Static Classes Make For Rigid Architectures
Yes it does. Markets always indicate popularity. It's supply and demand in action. Jeremy Falcon
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Im astounded that the PlainEnglish(tm) language isnt there, or maybe PlainItalian, PlainCroation or one of those other wonderful languages.
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The ratings are based on the world-wide availability of skilled engineers, courses and third party vendors. That really has no bearing on what people actually use. Marc Pensieve Functional Entanglement vs. Code Entanglement Static Classes Make For Rigid Architectures
Marc Clifton wrote:
That really has no bearing on what people actually use.
My resume is also in I think 5 different locations/pages (maybe more).... the net result is 5 times my experiences. Considering I think each resume was abandoned at different times, they all have a slight variant of growing languages, so all produce slightly different weights. However, since Basic, Pascal, Fortran and COBOL were all early on my list, those get a boost by each version of the resume. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Im astounded that the PlainEnglish(tm) language isnt there, or maybe PlainItalian, PlainCroation or one of those other wonderful languages.
You should check out the new version, it's called Plain Telepathy Programming (PTP). Here's some example code...
Jeremy Falcon
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You should check out the new version, it's called Plain Telepathy Programming (PTP). Here's some example code...
Jeremy Falcon
:mad: Do you have to use foul language in your comments? You could've at least removed them before posting them in the lounge. X|
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Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:
CP shows up in google...
Heh... The forums aren't supposed to. But looks like Chris has a different robots.txt file for secure.codeproject.com, so they end up being indexed anyway. Oops...
Now taking suggestions for the next release of CPhog...
Shog9 wrote:
Heh... The forums aren't supposed to. But looks like Chris has a different robots.txt file for secure.codeproject.com, so they end up being indexed anyway. Oops...
some do, some don't, I didn't realize they weren't supposed to -- in fact my blog showed my machine specs in google during a query on hardware yesterday. Even if they didn't discussions at other locations show up. You can still find my discussions when I was learning 3D back in 1994 on a few mail-lists! It is surprising the ancient junk that has been abandonded (even by me) and still shows up to weight down a search. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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:mad: Do you have to use foul language in your comments? You could've at least removed them before posting them in the lounge. X|
After using PTP, yes I do. :) Jeremy Falcon
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Yes it does. Markets always indicate popularity. It's supply and demand in action. Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Markets always indicate popularity. It's supply and demand in action.
Markets do, but how analysts digest the vast amount of market information is usually the problem. That's what I was pointing out--I don't think the three measures they've chosen indicate actual popularity based on programmers sitting in front of their machines and coding. Marc Pensieve Functional Entanglement vs. Code Entanglement Static Classes Make For Rigid Architectures
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Clickety[^] I was discussing with Nish about this yesterday. I had no doubts about Java being the most popular (esp. because of schools) but what is surprising is the difference between popularity of C# and Java. No surprises about VB.NET I have seen many former VB programmers moving to C#. Another surprising thing is that Ruby doesnot figure in the top 20 and that COBOL figures. I have serious doubts about some of the statistics that is presented. What do you guys think?
Ruby is still very new and is competing with Perl. The tigress is here :-D
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Shog9 wrote:
That's what being around for thirty-some more years will do, i guess.
Or could mean that Cobol jokes (Cobol causes brain damage) are leaving new programmers curiously querying Cobol. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
I've been coding COBOL for 19 years and I can definitely say I have brain damage. X| Our shop is still 90% COBOL on a mainframe environment. :^) Lost in the vast sea of .NET
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Clickety[^] I was discussing with Nish about this yesterday. I had no doubts about Java being the most popular (esp. because of schools) but what is surprising is the difference between popularity of C# and Java. No surprises about VB.NET I have seen many former VB programmers moving to C#. Another surprising thing is that Ruby doesnot figure in the top 20 and that COBOL figures. I have serious doubts about some of the statistics that is presented. What do you guys think?
Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
No surprises about VB.NET I have seen many former VB programmers moving to C#.
and vice versa ;P
Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
I have serious doubts about some of the statistics that is presented.
oh, statistics :rolleyes: just pick an appropriate sampling and you can have it say whatever you want.
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Clickety[^] I was discussing with Nish about this yesterday. I had no doubts about Java being the most popular (esp. because of schools) but what is surprising is the difference between popularity of C# and Java. No surprises about VB.NET I have seen many former VB programmers moving to C#. Another surprising thing is that Ruby doesnot figure in the top 20 and that COBOL figures. I have serious doubts about some of the statistics that is presented. What do you guys think?
Who cares, but I'm sure vb.net out numbers them all. Thousands of professional programmers use it. Do you actually feel superior if you write in C# versus C++ or Cobol, or whatever? If you understand programming logic you can write in any language you just have to change the syntax. Most programmers write in the language that pays the bills for them at this moment, which could be anything. So back to why vb.net is most popular… it has tons of custom tools that I don't have rewrite it seems fairly stable compiles fast runs consistently across many configurations as long as they have framework. I'm not fighting Microsoft, even thou it seems like it sometimes Whoa I'm starting to sound like MS commercial.. anyway that's all I have to say about that.
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Clickety[^] I was discussing with Nish about this yesterday. I had no doubts about Java being the most popular (esp. because of schools) but what is surprising is the difference between popularity of C# and Java. No surprises about VB.NET I have seen many former VB programmers moving to C#. Another surprising thing is that Ruby doesnot figure in the top 20 and that COBOL figures. I have serious doubts about some of the statistics that is presented. What do you guys think?
I don't know if rating # searches can define popularity -- it might have more to do with language stability and available documentation. One of the languages I've used is Oracle PL/SQL -- Oracle has a really good set of docs available as PDFs, I almost never have to do internet searches to get info I need. OTOH, I've recently been doing work involving .NET Compact Framework and Pocket PC / Windows Mobile 5.0 SDKs. The doc for this is often mixed with desktop doc and the regular .NET Framework, so I do tons of internet searches on this. And the solutions require VB/C# and C/C++.