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  • M Marc Clifton

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    hmm weird. Completely different story came from Microsoft out of Mix 06 this week. Expression was a big part of the conference. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Feed Henry! K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!

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      hmm weird. Completely different story came from Microsoft out of Mix 06 this week. Expression was a big part of the conference. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Feed Henry! K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!

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      Paul Watson wrote:

      hmm weird. Completely different story came from Microsoft out of Mix 06 this week. Expression was a big part of the conference.

      Hmmm okay. Regards, Nish


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        hmm weird. Completely different story came from Microsoft out of Mix 06 this week. Expression was a big part of the conference. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Feed Henry! K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!

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        Colin Angus Mackay
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        Paul Watson wrote:

        Completely different story came from Microsoft out of Mix 06 this week

        So, how was the conference? How was Las Vegas? ColinMackay.net Scottish Developers are looking for speakers for user group sessions over the next few months. Do you want to know more?

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          Paul Watson wrote:

          Completely different story came from Microsoft out of Mix 06 this week

          So, how was the conference? How was Las Vegas? ColinMackay.net Scottish Developers are looking for speakers for user group sessions over the next few months. Do you want to know more?

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          Colin Angus Mackay wrote:

          So, how was the conference

          I posted my thoughts on Mix 06 here[^].

          Colin Angus Mackay wrote:

          How was Las Vegas

          The Grand Canyon was breathtaking, no words or photos[^] can really capture it. I am glad I went just for that alone, a highlight in my life. Las Vegas itself was... I dislike being negative but the place is boring, tame and ugly. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone, even gamblers. I had a good time, no doubt, but that was because of the people I was with and met and could have happened in any city in the world. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Feed Henry! K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!

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            Hey guys, Have any of you tried Microsoft® Expression® Interactive Designer yet? What exactly does it do? Right now, I use Cider to create Xaml using a WYSIWYG designer. But Cider is closely bound to Visual Studio and is targeted to go along with C# and VB code-behind source files. I am hoping that Expression can be used to create language independent Xaml. [I mean just Xaml, with no associated source code file] So, anyone tried it out yet? If so, your feedback? Thanks. Regards, Nish


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            Expression Interactive Designer is very much for graphic designers. It is meant as a tool that designers use to create good UIs and experiences and then send their XAML to the developers to hook up the functionality (and vice versa.) AFAIK Cider can create just XAML too. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Feed Henry! K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!

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              Expression Interactive Designer is very much for graphic designers. It is meant as a tool that designers use to create good UIs and experiences and then send their XAML to the developers to hook up the functionality (and vice versa.) AFAIK Cider can create just XAML too. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Feed Henry! K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!

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              Nish Nishant
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              Paul Watson wrote:

              AFAIK Cider can create just XAML too.

              Yep, but it forces me to create a dummy C# project. :( Regards, Nish


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              • P Paul Watson

                Colin Angus Mackay wrote:

                So, how was the conference

                I posted my thoughts on Mix 06 here[^].

                Colin Angus Mackay wrote:

                How was Las Vegas

                The Grand Canyon was breathtaking, no words or photos[^] can really capture it. I am glad I went just for that alone, a highlight in my life. Las Vegas itself was... I dislike being negative but the place is boring, tame and ugly. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone, even gamblers. I had a good time, no doubt, but that was because of the people I was with and met and could have happened in any city in the world. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Feed Henry! K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!

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                or photos[^]

                Good heavens! I didn't know Brian Dela is balding... Poor Brian - so young too! Regards, Nish


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                  Paul Watson wrote:

                  or photos[^]

                  Good heavens! I didn't know Brian Dela is balding... Poor Brian - so young too! Regards, Nish


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                  It isn't uncommon amongst caucasian males. My hairline is receding too. And BTW, we probably don't appreciate being sympathised with in quite the way you just did. I can assure you that we know we are balding. :) regards, Paul Watson Ireland Feed Henry! K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!

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                    Thanks Joshua - I may give it a try. Right now, Cider does not work with VC++ projects - such a pity! So I was looking for alternate ways to create Xaml. Only issue is EID is rather heavy - and I am not sure how expensive it will be when it's released. I wonder if it'll be included with MSDN subscription, now that would be cool :-) Regards, Nish


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                    Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

                    Only issue is EID is rather heavy

                    I beleive the download was under 10MB, though you are right - it requires a lot of memory.

                    Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

                    and I am not sure how expensive it will be when it's released

                    If MS is smart (and they are) they will price it low (def. not more than flash costs) 60% of statistics are made up on the spot

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                      It isn't uncommon amongst caucasian males. My hairline is receding too. And BTW, we probably don't appreciate being sympathised with in quite the way you just did. I can assure you that we know we are balding. :) regards, Paul Watson Ireland Feed Henry! K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!

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                      Nish Nishant
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                      Paul Watson wrote:

                      It isn't uncommon amongst caucasian males. My hairline is receding too.

                      Ah okay. I presume you mean white caucasians :-) Because Indians are classified under caucasians though it's not so in everyday English usage where caucasian usually refers to a white caucasian of European origin.

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                      And BTW, we probably don't appreciate being sympathised with in quite the way you just did. I can assure you that we know we are balding.

                      Sorry - blame it on my non-caucasian cultural origins :rolleyes: Regards, Nish


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                      • J Joshua Nussbaum

                        Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

                        Only issue is EID is rather heavy

                        I beleive the download was under 10MB, though you are right - it requires a lot of memory.

                        Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

                        and I am not sure how expensive it will be when it's released

                        If MS is smart (and they are) they will price it low (def. not more than flash costs) 60% of statistics are made up on the spot

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                        Nish Nishant
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                        Joshua Nussbaum wrote:

                        I beleive the download was under 10MB, though you are right - it requires a lot of memory.

                        Woah - I didn't know - gotta give it a try then. Though I am half-worried it may mess up my WinFX installation. It took me a while to get the Dec CTP removed and to have the Feb CTP working okay. Regards, Nish


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                        • M Marc Clifton

                          Read more.[^] Marc Pensieve Functional Entanglement vs. Code Entanglement Static Classes Make For Rigid Architectures Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson

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                          Makes sense to me.. all these tools are based on WPF so theres no need to deliver them before. I just wish MS would decouple their systems, and eliviate these interlocked dependancies. e.g. EID cant be released until winfx, vista cant be released until winfx, office 12 cant be released until vista. etc.. 60% of statistics are made up on the spot

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                            Makes sense to me.. all these tools are based on WPF so theres no need to deliver them before. I just wish MS would decouple their systems, and eliviate these interlocked dependancies. e.g. EID cant be released until winfx, vista cant be released until winfx, office 12 cant be released until vista. etc.. 60% of statistics are made up on the spot

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                            Nish Nishant
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                            Joshua Nussbaum wrote:

                            I just wish MS would decouple their systems, and eliviate these interlocked dependancies. e.g. EID cant be released until winfx, vista cant be released until winfx, office 12 cant be released until vista. etc..

                            Well they all use each other - so, it's all or nothing I guess. Regards, Nish


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                              Thanks Joshua - I may give it a try. Right now, Cider does not work with VC++ projects - such a pity! So I was looking for alternate ways to create Xaml. Only issue is EID is rather heavy - and I am not sure how expensive it will be when it's released. I wonder if it'll be included with MSDN subscription, now that would be cool :-) Regards, Nish


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                              Nish, i know you know alot about managed C++, so tell me where can I get a good overview on the new managed c++ features in .NET 2.0? 60% of statistics are made up on the spot

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                              • P Paul Watson

                                hmm weird. Completely different story came from Microsoft out of Mix 06 this week. Expression was a big part of the conference. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Feed Henry! K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!

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                                Paul Watson wrote:

                                Completely different story came from Microsoft out of Mix 06 this week. Expression was a big part of the conference.

                                It's not the first time what you see at a tradeshow is disconnected from corporate decisions nor the first time one of these rags gets it wrong. Marc Pensieve Functional Entanglement vs. Code Entanglement Static Classes Make For Rigid Architectures Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson

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                                  Marc Clifton wrote:

                                  Read more.[^]

                                  :omg: Damn! Thanks for the link, Marc - 12 days ago too. Sometimes I find it funny how every time I get into something, it's eitehr obsoleted or discontinued or delayed indefinitely. MC++, STL.NET, now this :~ Anyone have any un-favorite technology that they want obsoleted? Just let me know, and I'll play with a few days, and get to like it, and have it obsoleted in a week! Just let me know! :| Regards, Nish


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                                  Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

                                  12 days ago too.

                                  I was going to post something about that but never did. On the other hand, I'd take everything you see/read/hear about XAML/Vista with a grain of salt. BTW, the guy who runs this http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mywinfx/[^] actually has some decent posts. Here's[^] his blog. Marc Pensieve Functional Entanglement vs. Code Entanglement Static Classes Make For Rigid Architectures Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson

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                                  • N Nish Nishant

                                    Hey guys, Have any of you tried Microsoft® Expression® Interactive Designer yet? What exactly does it do? Right now, I use Cider to create Xaml using a WYSIWYG designer. But Cider is closely bound to Visual Studio and is targeted to go along with C# and VB code-behind source files. I am hoping that Expression can be used to create language independent Xaml. [I mean just Xaml, with no associated source code file] So, anyone tried it out yet? If so, your feedback? Thanks. Regards, Nish


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                                    Also, lots of news about WPF/E[^]. Sounds like Microsoft is starting the big push to get platforms unified under XAML. In this[^] article, I'm amused how XAML is defined as a "page layout language ". Like I said in my other post, grains of salt. Marc Pensieve Functional Entanglement vs. Code Entanglement Static Classes Make For Rigid Architectures Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson

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                                    • P Paul Watson

                                      hmm weird. Completely different story came from Microsoft out of Mix 06 this week. Expression was a big part of the conference. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Feed Henry! K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!

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                                      Now that's odd. They probably had to leave it in though or it would have been a deflated event.

                                      Overheard in clients: Question: "So country music doesn't make you want to get down and boogie?" Response: "No, it makes me want to clean off the bottom of my shoe." I just have to say that's about one of the best statements regarding country music I've ever heard. :cool:

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                                      • N Nish Nishant

                                        Marc Clifton wrote:

                                        Read more.[^]

                                        :omg: Damn! Thanks for the link, Marc - 12 days ago too. Sometimes I find it funny how every time I get into something, it's eitehr obsoleted or discontinued or delayed indefinitely. MC++, STL.NET, now this :~ Anyone have any un-favorite technology that they want obsoleted? Just let me know, and I'll play with a few days, and get to like it, and have it obsoleted in a week! Just let me know! :| Regards, Nish


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                                        Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

                                        Anyone have any un-favorite technology that they want obsoleted?

                                        Nish, can you please by a mac the next chance you get. That would be really nice. Get an iPod too.;P

                                        Overheard in clients: Question: "So country music doesn't make you want to get down and boogie?" Response: "No, it makes me want to clean off the bottom of my shoe." I just have to say that's about one of the best statements regarding country music I've ever heard. :cool:

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                                        • J Joshua Nussbaum

                                          Nish, i know you know alot about managed C++, so tell me where can I get a good overview on the new managed c++ features in .NET 2.0? 60% of statistics are made up on the spot

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                                          Joshua Nussbaum wrote:

                                          Nish, i know you know alot about managed C++, so tell me where can I get a good overview on the new managed c++ features in .NET 2.0?

                                          http://www.codeproject.com/managedcpp/#C++/CLI[^] Regards, Nish


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