Lady Developers
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Emma Burrows wrote:
I think there is a gender divide when it comes to what interests most women as opposed to most men. Networking with other people in an admin, marketing or management position is probably more attractive to most women than development, which usually requires limited social contact and detailed knowledge of abstract technical concepts.
Definitely. Although I love development, being tied to a desk full time drives me nuts! Perhaps that's why I've always preferred to be involved in a project on multiple levels - including liasing with customers and other departments - than purely sitting at a desk churning out code. Anna :rose: Currently working mostly on: Visual Lint :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
Although I love development, being tied to a desk full time drives me nuts! Whereas I rather like sitting at my desk talking to no one for hours on end; OTOH, after ten years of Tech Support, I think I've rather overloaded on interacting with people. ;)
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sorry, couldn't help myself as I have just watched an episode of Little Britain :)
:sigh: There's always one! :) When debating whether to put "lady" or "female" developer in the subject, I remembered that one of my friends, on discovering that one of the firemen who came to investigate a local fire was a woman, exclaimed "Ooh look! A lady fireman!". I thought "lady developer" sounded vaguely amusing. And I'll have you know, for those casting aspersions on the ladylike qualities of female developers, that I for one am a lady with impeccable bearing and manners; perfect in every way. ;P
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:sigh: There's always one! :) When debating whether to put "lady" or "female" developer in the subject, I remembered that one of my friends, on discovering that one of the firemen who came to investigate a local fire was a woman, exclaimed "Ooh look! A lady fireman!". I thought "lady developer" sounded vaguely amusing. And I'll have you know, for those casting aspersions on the ladylike qualities of female developers, that I for one am a lady with impeccable bearing and manners; perfect in every way. ;P
Emma Burrows wrote:
with impeccable bearing and manners; perfect in every way.
that is a common self-assessment from many developers of any gender.... Me? I am far from perfect, being human is indeed fine with me. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Just an idle question; how many women are there around here? CP is quite male-dominated - which reflects development in general, as I'd expect - but I presume there are some other female contributors? Just curious. :)
Hi! Don't usually post....too busy, but caught this thread on the newsletter and had to reply. I am a female developer specializing in developing Client/Server apps and web apps in various languages. I just stopped working for other companies about 9 months ago and now have my own development company. My name is Tommie which will go a long way in explaning the following observation. There are women out there, but I find that when I receive a call from a company they are surprised that I am female. i believe that if they had known I was female to start with, they might not have called me first and I might not have gotten the job. You can sometimes see the doubt in their eyes until they realize that not only can I talk the talk but I can walk the walk. I think there is still a perception out there that to be good programmer you have to be a man. Hopefully I will be able to change that opinion one customer at a time.
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Hi! Don't usually post....too busy, but caught this thread on the newsletter and had to reply. I am a female developer specializing in developing Client/Server apps and web apps in various languages. I just stopped working for other companies about 9 months ago and now have my own development company. My name is Tommie which will go a long way in explaning the following observation. There are women out there, but I find that when I receive a call from a company they are surprised that I am female. i believe that if they had known I was female to start with, they might not have called me first and I might not have gotten the job. You can sometimes see the doubt in their eyes until they realize that not only can I talk the talk but I can walk the walk. I think there is still a perception out there that to be good programmer you have to be a man. Hopefully I will be able to change that opinion one customer at a time.
tommieb wrote:
Hi! Don't usually post....too busy, but caught this thread on the newsletter and had to reply.
"Don't usually post" is an understatement - this is your first post ever! :-D Regards, Nish
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tommieb wrote:
Hi! Don't usually post....too busy, but caught this thread on the newsletter and had to reply.
"Don't usually post" is an understatement - this is your first post ever! :-D Regards, Nish
Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
The Ultimate Grid - The #1 MFC grid out there!And that is a problem....why? Oh.....wait there's a smiley.....you were being funny. Ok. Uummmmm..... This is what happens when I post before clearing the code out of my head....I say stupid things. I do read the newsletters and read the post sometimes. Don't feel neglected I don't post anywhere else either.
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Just an idle question; how many women are there around here? CP is quite male-dominated - which reflects development in general, as I'd expect - but I presume there are some other female contributors? Just curious. :)
Sure wish there were more. We could use a little civilization. ---sig---
Silence is the voice of complicity Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. -- Vincent Reynolds Might I suggest that the universe was always the size of the cosmos. It is just that at one point the cosmos was the size of a marble. -- Colin Angus Mackay PS. If you don't understand my sarcasm -- go to hell! -
Just an idle question; how many women are there around here? CP is quite male-dominated - which reflects development in general, as I'd expect - but I presume there are some other female contributors? Just curious. :)
In my Greek university we had at least a 30%. In my master in Lyon around 10%. In work I've encountered more than 10%. It's difficult to tell - enterprises in Greece are so small that analyst and developer jobs get confused.
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And that is a problem....why? Oh.....wait there's a smiley.....you were being funny. Ok. Uummmmm..... This is what happens when I post before clearing the code out of my head....I say stupid things. I do read the newsletters and read the post sometimes. Don't feel neglected I don't post anywhere else either.
tommieb wrote:
And that is a problem....why? Oh.....wait there's a smiley.....you were being funny.
Yeah - was just kidding. Sorry if it wasn't obvious enough. Regards, Nish
Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
The Ultimate Grid - The #1 MFC grid out there! -
Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
I counted 3 in the top 100 posters.
That may possibly be because they tend to talk a lot ;)
Ryan
"Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"
How many in the top 10? :laugh: The tigress is here :-D
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Emma Burrows wrote:
I think there is a gender divide when it comes to what interests most women as opposed to most men. Networking with other people in an admin, marketing or management position is probably more attractive to most women than development, which usually requires limited social contact and detailed knowledge of abstract technical concepts.
Definitely. Although I love development, being tied to a desk full time drives me nuts! Perhaps that's why I've always preferred to be involved in a project on multiple levels - including liasing with customers and other departments - than purely sitting at a desk churning out code. Anna :rose: Currently working mostly on: Visual Lint :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
I don't like being tied to a desk either but I love to code. My solution.....start your own business or become a contractor. I work from home so if I get tired of sitting at my desk, I take the laptop to the pool or put it in a backpack and go to the beach or the park. I can work in my jammies till 2 if I want. If I find the need for human interaction, I just pick up the phone and call someone for a lunch date or take the afternoon off and spend it with friends. Flexibility is a wonderful thing.
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tommieb wrote:
And that is a problem....why? Oh.....wait there's a smiley.....you were being funny.
Yeah - was just kidding. Sorry if it wasn't obvious enough. Regards, Nish
Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
The Ultimate Grid - The #1 MFC grid out there! -
Sure wish there were more. We could use a little civilization. ---sig---
Silence is the voice of complicity Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. -- Vincent Reynolds Might I suggest that the universe was always the size of the cosmos. It is just that at one point the cosmos was the size of a marble. -- Colin Angus Mackay PS. If you don't understand my sarcasm -- go to hell! -
No sweat! I was just kidding, too. I can be very sarcastic. I should have used a smiley or something so you would know that I didn't take offense. Don't worry about it.
tommieb wrote:
No sweat! I was just kidding, too. I can be very sarcastic. I should have used a smiley or something so you would know that I didn't take offense. Don't worry about it.
Cool :-) Regards, Nish
Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
The Ultimate Grid - The #1 MFC grid out there! -
I've never actually met a 'lady' programmer. "You get that which you tolerate"
So, no female programmers, or were they not ladies? Iain.
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Just an idle question; how many women are there around here? CP is quite male-dominated - which reflects development in general, as I'd expect - but I presume there are some other female contributors? Just curious. :)
I'm not very active on the forums... I think this is my 2nd post ever. But I've been a fan of CodeProject since I first stumbled onto it a few years ago. I work with just one other woman at my current job; we have about 20 developers total. There were no other women at my last job; we had about 10 developers total. ~mj
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Just an idle question; how many women are there around here? CP is quite male-dominated - which reflects development in general, as I'd expect - but I presume there are some other female contributors? Just curious. :)
Wouldnt it be great to find a good woman (willing to date a programer :() who also programs? LOL not to many woman are interested in programing when you try to explain it to them! You get the old 'Yea thats cool.....' :zzz: Pablo
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Wouldnt it be great to find a good woman (willing to date a programer :() who also programs? LOL not to many woman are interested in programing when you try to explain it to them! You get the old 'Yea thats cool.....' :zzz: Pablo
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Wouldnt it be great to find a good woman (willing to date a programer :() who also programs? LOL not to many woman are interested in programing when you try to explain it to them! You get the old 'Yea thats cool.....' :zzz: Pablo
I actually used to work with this couple, from 2 different programming departments mind you, the woman programmed in Cobol and had done it for many years, her husband worked in the VB department with me and had been programming for only about 7 years. I believe that they both had desk at home in the same room and at night they would go to their respective corners and surf or code. Must have been a match made in heaven. As far as explaining it, it is the same for me. My husband's eyes glaze over when I start talking shop. He could care less and definitely doesn't understand any of it.