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"Thats cause they are so damn buggy.", he commented, after which he immediately provided an extensive list of time-tested alternatives.
But then he stopped short and thought, "Who cares about alternatives? No matter how many alternatives there are, this is still a buggy product... although a lack of alternatives (competition) could definitely explain its lack of quality." ;P
The bible was written when people were even more stupid than they are today. Can you imagine that? - David Cross
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You'll be highly disappointed. It's like taking a Ferrari, from which you remove the engine, and gearbox, only to replace it with engine and gearbox from a -82 Yugo. Tried it once to conserve space when I reinstalled my home box. Needless to say, I brought the VS DVDs home the next day. :)
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
It's like taking a Ferrari, from which you remove the engine, and gearbox, only to replace it with engine and gearbox from a -82 Yugo.
Now, wait a minute. What you're describing is what VS2005 is--a Yugo. I need to lower the speed limit signs to compensate! A Ferrari, it is not. It's more like a tank. Now, Express, I guess I'd liken it to a paper airplane. Lots of lift on the initial thrust, but then it's all drag. Marc Pensieve Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
It's like taking a Ferrari, from which you remove the engine, and gearbox, only to replace it with engine and gearbox from a -82 Yugo.
Now, wait a minute. What you're describing is what VS2005 is--a Yugo. I need to lower the speed limit signs to compensate! A Ferrari, it is not. It's more like a tank. Now, Express, I guess I'd liken it to a paper airplane. Lots of lift on the initial thrust, but then it's all drag. Marc Pensieve Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson
I was just trying to communicate the ratio between the two products. I guess I should've added the disclaimer: Objects may appear better than they are! to my previous post. ;)
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Have you tried SharpDevelop 2? I wasn't a big fan of their 1.x versions but it is pretty impressive now and also free. Al
The 1.x versions of SharpDevelop suffered badly from sluggishness. Is 2.x any better in that regard?
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That's because it's the only way they can get VS2005 into the majority of developers' hands. ------- sig starts "I've heard some drivers saying, 'We're going too fast here...'. If you're not here to race, go the hell home - don't come here and grumble about going too fast. Why don't you tie a kerosene rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
It's like taking a Ferrari, from which you remove the engine, and gearbox, only to replace it with engine and gearbox from a -82 Yugo.
Now, wait a minute. What you're describing is what VS2005 is--a Yugo. I need to lower the speed limit signs to compensate! A Ferrari, it is not. It's more like a tank. Now, Express, I guess I'd liken it to a paper airplane. Lots of lift on the initial thrust, but then it's all drag. Marc Pensieve Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson
(A yugo is a lot more reliable.) ------- sig starts "I've heard some drivers saying, 'We're going too fast here...'. If you're not here to race, go the hell home - don't come here and grumble about going too fast. Why don't you tie a kerosene rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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The 1.x versions of SharpDevelop suffered badly from sluggishness. Is 2.x any better in that regard?
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"Thats cause they are so damn buggy.", he commented, after which he immediately provided an extensive list of time-tested alternatives.
VC6 still makes me smile Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
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I was just trying to communicate the ratio between the two products. I guess I should've added the disclaimer: Objects may appear better than they are! to my previous post. ;)
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
I guess I should've added the disclaimer: Objects may appear better than they are!
Geez, another quotable. :) Marc Pensieve Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
I guess I should've added the disclaimer: Objects may appear better than they are!
Geez, another quotable. :) Marc Pensieve Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson
I'm on a roll.. ;)
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VC6 still makes me smile Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
VC6 makes me grimace...usually every time I try to drag one of tabs out of the Workspace View or Output Window and dock it elseware, or write two for-loops at the same scope using the same control variable...:doh: Anna :rose: Currently working mostly on: Visual Lint :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
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The 1.x versions of SharpDevelop suffered badly from sluggishness. Is 2.x any better in that regard?
The 1.x version used a database for autocomplete (why I don't know) while 2.x has normal intellisense (using reflection I assume) and responds much better. I've used it now for about a month and it works great. Also, in the new version it even saves projects/solutions in VS2005 format so it can read a VS solution and create a solution that can be read by VS2005 with no problem. Al
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VC6 makes me grimace...usually every time I try to drag one of tabs out of the Workspace View or Output Window and dock it elseware, or write two for-loops at the same scope using the same control variable...:doh: Anna :rose: Currently working mostly on: Visual Lint :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote:
...usually every time I try to drag one of tabs out of the Workspace View or Output Window and dock it elseware
see, i
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I think this is an absolutely brilliant move on Microsoft's part. With the ever growing open source community, it's an excellent way to compete and potentially win the hearts and minds of new developers over to the MS side of the fence. I've recommended these versions to quite a few friends who wanted to experiment with programming but didn't know if they'd like it enough to invest money in tools. I have no doubt that many who start with Express versions will ultimately become full fledged MS techies and upgrade to the pro versions of the products. As much as the world loves to bash Redmond, I just don't see any downside here. Good marketing, good karma, and good vibes. :) Christopher Duncan Practical Strategy Consulting Author of The Career Programmer Unite the Tribes
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Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote:
...usually every time I try to drag one of tabs out of the Workspace View or Output Window and dock it elseware
see, i
**_absolutey despise_**floating, dockable toolbars. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail makerChris Losinger wrote:
ee, i absolutey despise floating, dockable toolbars.
I despised them too, until I've got my second monitor attached. Pavel
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Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote:
...usually every time I try to drag one of tabs out of the Workspace View or Output Window and dock it elseware
see, i
**_absolutey despise_**floating, dockable toolbars. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail makerI hate it when they move around of their own account, or because I clicked in the wrong place...but I love the flexibility they offer....especially on dual monitor systems. Most of the issues could be dealt with bt providing a way to lock toolbars/control bars in place so that didn't happen accidentally. If they did it on the taskbar and in IE's toolbars, they can do it in Visual Studio. :rose: Anna :rose: Currently working mostly on: Visual Lint :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
It's like taking a Ferrari, from which you remove the engine, and gearbox, only to replace it with engine and gearbox from a -82 Yugo.
Now, wait a minute. What you're describing is what VS2005 is--a Yugo. I need to lower the speed limit signs to compensate! A Ferrari, it is not. It's more like a tank. Now, Express, I guess I'd liken it to a paper airplane. Lots of lift on the initial thrust, but then it's all drag. Marc Pensieve Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson
:sigh: I feel so alone. I actually enjoy working with VS2005 and with SQL2005. Pictures of the menu available at the drive-thru
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VC6 makes me grimace...usually every time I try to drag one of tabs out of the Workspace View or Output Window and dock it elseware, or write two for-loops at the same scope using the same control variable...:doh: Anna :rose: Currently working mostly on: Visual Lint :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
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Have you tried SharpDevelop 2? I wasn't a big fan of their 1.x versions but it is pretty impressive now and also free. Al
Well, do they have anything for web developers yet? The versions I have seen have nothing really in the line of developing ASP.NET sites. Rocky <>< Latest Post: SQL2005 Server Managemnet Studio timeouts! Blog: www.RockyMoore.com/TheCoder/[^]
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:sigh: I feel so alone. I actually enjoy working with VS2005 and with SQL2005. Pictures of the menu available at the drive-thru
Yeah, I enojoy them too. They have not given me any problems (almost!)
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