The language barrier!
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Yes Nish, that's why people in the North keep living in the North and people in the south keep living in the south. It's big problem here. Without english , damn I can talk only to myself. Next to my desk, sits a Bengali,a Punjabi, a mallu, a guy from Orissa, andhra, maharastra and even an Assamese is here. Its quite a colorful mixture. And moreover our clients roam around. Without any question,English would suit the best. We may brag that we have more than 200 languages with us, but its of no use unless we learn all the 200 !, but anyway people in North can manage somehow with their Hindi. They get along easily with Hindi like lagauages Bengali,Punjabi). And btw in canada how often you'd meet french-speaking people?
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VuNic wrote:
that's why people in the North keep living in the North and people in the south keep living in the south
Except for Hyderabad (which is in South India, more Muslims live here). Where 'Hindi'/'Urdu' language mix is more popular than 'English'/'Telugu'. [Quick Reply][Reply][Email][View Thread][Get Link][Bookmark]
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Marc Clifton wrote:
Wow. How'd that happen? Seriously. What's the history of your country's languages?
There are only 22 official languages .There are some other languages also which includes some tribal languges .But anyway i dont think that it would cross 50,not even 30 I suppose.
jithAtran wrote:
.But anyway i dont think that it would cross 50,not even 30 I suppose.
Exactly. Nish trying to exaggregate the number of languages. I haven't met or seen any tribal (speaking different dialect) working in the IT environment. [Quick Reply][Reply][Email][View Thread][Get Link][Bookmark]
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jithAtran wrote:
Though Tamilians would not agree
I am not a Tamilian, but I agree that Tamil does not come from Sanskrit. It has different roots. Some people think that Tamil is the oldest language. Even the script has many different concepts. I tried learning it but gave up.
Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
Tamil does not come from Sanskrit
Yes. But it has few words sounding like sanskrit. like words with "ish..", "sha.." sounds.
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While reading those threads below about using English as a universal language, I was interested by Vivek's comments about how all the Indian CPians would have to use English to communicate with each other because we have 200 languages in India. In fact, when Smitha and I were planning to move out of Kerala for a while, we abandoned any plans of moving to other Indian states, since we'd have a serious communication issue, specially since I don't speak Hindi and Smitha's Hindi would be highly ineffective except for very basic sentences. Our only option was to move to an English-speaking country. Accents may differ, but it's still the same language. In fact we had a lot of trouble at the Chandigarh airport (we went there for Canadian Visa stamping) because no one in the airport spoke English (at least the ones we met) and we had a tough time figuring out where the baggage claim was. We also had a lot of trouble telling autorickshaw drivers where we needed to go, buying stuff from shops, ordering food, asking for drinking water etc. [mod] Here's a partial list of Indian languages :- http://www.kamat.com/indica/diversity/languages.htm[^] [/mod] Regards, Nish
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Imagine trying to work with Indian contractors trying to build the largest system your company had ever undertaken to write. You think driving directions are hard... Also, just because someone can speak english isn't a guarantee anymore. I think English is becoming like chinese. With all the dialects that come into play because your own language accents strongly influence your grasp of English and that goes both ways. English speaking Indians probably have a harder time with English speaking Americans than they do their English speaking peers.
I only read CP for the articles. Code-frog System Architects, Inc.
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Imagine trying to work with Indian contractors trying to build the largest system your company had ever undertaken to write. You think driving directions are hard... Also, just because someone can speak english isn't a guarantee anymore. I think English is becoming like chinese. With all the dialects that come into play because your own language accents strongly influence your grasp of English and that goes both ways. English speaking Indians probably have a harder time with English speaking Americans than they do their English speaking peers.
I only read CP for the articles. Code-frog System Architects, Inc.
code-frog wrote:
English speaking Indians probably have a harder time with English speaking Americans than they do their English speaking peers.
Try to talking to somebody in Carribean. We got some clients there. I have to keep ear near the phone to understand what they are saying. They speak in English only but entirely different dialect. [Quick Reply][Reply][Email][View Thread][Get Link][Bookmark]
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VuNic wrote:
that's why people in the North keep living in the North and people in the south keep living in the south
Except for Hyderabad (which is in South India, more Muslims live here). Where 'Hindi'/'Urdu' language mix is more popular than 'English'/'Telugu'. [Quick Reply][Reply][Email][View Thread][Get Link][Bookmark]
Yeah, that's true Kant, a guy here from Hyderabad, talks both in Telugu and Hindi ( but my Delhi friends say what he speaks differs a lot from their version)very well.. and after coming to chennai he's learnt a good Tamil too. Now he can talk 4 languages very well (English,Hindi,Tamil,Telugu)
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Marc Clifton wrote:
Wow. How'd that happen? Seriously. What's the history of your country's languages?
There are only 22 official languages .There are some other languages also which includes some tribal languges .But anyway i dont think that it would cross 50,not even 30 I suppose.
jithAtran wrote:
There are only 22 official languages
Ptth. What a lazy whiner Nish is. 200 languages indeed - any fool can learn 22 languages... :rolleyes:
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Imagine trying to work with Indian contractors trying to build the largest system your company had ever undertaken to write. You think driving directions are hard... Also, just because someone can speak english isn't a guarantee anymore. I think English is becoming like chinese. With all the dialects that come into play because your own language accents strongly influence your grasp of English and that goes both ways. English speaking Indians probably have a harder time with English speaking Americans than they do their English speaking peers.
I only read CP for the articles. Code-frog System Architects, Inc.
code-frog wrote:
English speaking Indians probably have a harder time with English speaking Americans than they do their English speaking peers.
Yeah, sometimes Americans (and Canadians) may use a phrase or figure of speech that's unfamiliar. It's the same when you speak with North Indians, because they use a few Hindi words and Hindi-isms in their English which confuses things. Regards, Nish
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code-frog wrote:
English speaking Indians probably have a harder time with English speaking Americans than they do their English speaking peers.
Try to talking to somebody in Carribean. We got some clients there. I have to keep ear near the phone to understand what they are saying. They speak in English only but entirely different dialect. [Quick Reply][Reply][Email][View Thread][Get Link][Bookmark]
Kant wrote:
Try to talking to somebody in Carribean.
Is that same as how Courtney Walsh speaks? Or say Mike Holding :-) His commentary is cool though! Regards, Nish
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jithAtran wrote:
.But anyway i dont think that it would cross 50,not even 30 I suppose.
Exactly. Nish trying to exaggregate the number of languages. I haven't met or seen any tribal (speaking different dialect) working in the IT environment. [Quick Reply][Reply][Email][View Thread][Get Link][Bookmark]
Kant wrote:
Exactly. Nish trying to exaggregate the number of languages.
:omg: No I am not. The actual number of languages in India would be 1000+, but there are at least 200 mainstream dialects. Some tribals in kerala speak variants of Malayalam that are totally different from what I speak. From wikipedia : In all, there are 24 languages which are spoken by a million or more people, in addition to thousands of smaller languages. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_India[^] Regards, Nish
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jithAtran wrote:
.But anyway i dont think that it would cross 50,not even 30 I suppose.
Exactly. Nish trying to exaggregate the number of languages. I haven't met or seen any tribal (speaking different dialect) working in the IT environment. [Quick Reply][Reply][Email][View Thread][Get Link][Bookmark]
Kant wrote:
Exactly. Nish trying to exaggregate the number of languages. I haven't met or seen any tribal (speaking different dialect) working in the IT environment.
Another good link (via Rama) : http://www.kamat.com/indica/diversity/languages.htm[^] Regards, Nish
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jithAtran wrote:
There are only 22 official languages
Ptth. What a lazy whiner Nish is. 200 languages indeed - any fool can learn 22 languages... :rolleyes:
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Shog9 wrote:
Ptth. What a lazy whiner Nish is. 200 languages indeed - any fool can learn 22 languages...
:-D Regards, Nish
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While reading those threads below about using English as a universal language, I was interested by Vivek's comments about how all the Indian CPians would have to use English to communicate with each other because we have 200 languages in India. In fact, when Smitha and I were planning to move out of Kerala for a while, we abandoned any plans of moving to other Indian states, since we'd have a serious communication issue, specially since I don't speak Hindi and Smitha's Hindi would be highly ineffective except for very basic sentences. Our only option was to move to an English-speaking country. Accents may differ, but it's still the same language. In fact we had a lot of trouble at the Chandigarh airport (we went there for Canadian Visa stamping) because no one in the airport spoke English (at least the ones we met) and we had a tough time figuring out where the baggage claim was. We also had a lot of trouble telling autorickshaw drivers where we needed to go, buying stuff from shops, ordering food, asking for drinking water etc. [mod] Here's a partial list of Indian languages :- http://www.kamat.com/indica/diversity/languages.htm[^] [/mod] Regards, Nish
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I heard that once of the major cities in Canada (either Montreal or Quebec) forbids the use of the English language. They will actually fine stores who have english text displayed in their windows. Is this still the case? Regards, Brigg Thorp Senior Software Engineer Timex Corporation
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VuNic wrote:
And btw in canada how often you'd meet french-speaking people?
Being from Canada, I feel qualified to answer this question. Canada has two offical languages, English and French. Depending upon where you live in Canada, one language or the other is normally dominant. Moving from the East to the West... the Atlantic provinces (Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Island) are mostly going to be English. New Brunswick, which borders Nova Scotia and Quebec, both are spoken - mostly English in the East, moving to mostly French in the West. In Quebec, mostly French, but still pockets of English. Ontario - Southern region, English; Northern region - mixed. The city I grew up in, North Bay, had an English to French mix of 75% / 25%, but surrouding communities were mostly French. As you move further West, it is almost always English.
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Kant wrote:
Exactly. Nish trying to exaggregate the number of languages.
:omg: No I am not. The actual number of languages in India would be 1000+, but there are at least 200 mainstream dialects. Some tribals in kerala speak variants of Malayalam that are totally different from what I speak. From wikipedia : In all, there are 24 languages which are spoken by a million or more people, in addition to thousands of smaller languages. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_India[^] Regards, Nish
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The Ultimate Grid - The #1 MFC grid out there!Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
The actual number of languages in India would be 1000+, but there are at least 200 mainstream dialects.
I agree we got 1000+ languages/dialets. But we are talking about different people talking in different languages/dialets at work. How many have you encountered at work? I was interested by Vivek's comments about how all the Indian CPians would have to use English to communicate with each other because we have 200 languages in India [Quick Reply][Reply][Email][View Thread][Get Link][Bookmark]
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Kant wrote:
Exactly. Nish trying to exaggregate the number of languages.
:omg: No I am not. The actual number of languages in India would be 1000+, but there are at least 200 mainstream dialects. Some tribals in kerala speak variants of Malayalam that are totally different from what I speak. From wikipedia : In all, there are 24 languages which are spoken by a million or more people, in addition to thousands of smaller languages. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_India[^] Regards, Nish
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The Ultimate Grid - The #1 MFC grid out there!Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Some tribals in kerala speak variants of Malayalam that are totally different from what I speak
There will be different Slangs in every languages.it will vary form region to region.Considering Malayalam,Whatever be the style of speaking, as long as it is malayalam its malayalam only.you cannot count Trichy tamil and Chennai Tamil or Uduppi Kannada and Shimoga Kannada as seperate languages. In india officially there are only 22 languages which excludes tribal languages like baduga. But even then the number the number of tribal languages ares very less.Infact,tribals are less in number -- modified at 12:37 Friday 5th May, 2006
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Some tribals in kerala speak variants of Malayalam that are totally different from what I speak
There will be different Slangs in every languages.it will vary form region to region.Considering Malayalam,Whatever be the style of speaking, as long as it is malayalam its malayalam only.you cannot count Trichy tamil and Chennai Tamil or Uduppi Kannada and Shimoga Kannada as seperate languages. In india officially there are only 22 languages which excludes tribal languages like baduga. But even then the number the number of tribal languages ares very less.Infact,tribals are less in number -- modified at 12:37 Friday 5th May, 2006
jithAtran wrote:
In india officially there are only 22 languages which excludes tribal languages like baduga.
See http://www.kamat.com/indica/diversity/languages.htm[^] Regards, Nish
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Some tribals in kerala speak variants of Malayalam that are totally different from what I speak
There will be different Slangs in every languages.it will vary form region to region.Considering Malayalam,Whatever be the style of speaking, as long as it is malayalam its malayalam only.you cannot count Trichy tamil and Chennai Tamil or Uduppi Kannada and Shimoga Kannada as seperate languages. In india officially there are only 22 languages which excludes tribal languages like baduga. But even then the number the number of tribal languages ares very less.Infact,tribals are less in number -- modified at 12:37 Friday 5th May, 2006
jithAtran wrote:
There will be different Slangs in every languages.it will vary form region to region.Considering Malayalam,Whatever be the style of speaking, as long as it is malayalam its malayalam only.
No I don't mean slang. There are languages related to Malayalam, that's spoken in parts of Kerala which are not Malayalam. They are as different from Malayalam and from each other, as say Hindi or Telugu. Regards, Nish
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
The actual number of languages in India would be 1000+, but there are at least 200 mainstream dialects.
I agree we got 1000+ languages/dialets. But we are talking about different people talking in different languages/dialets at work. How many have you encountered at work? I was interested by Vivek's comments about how all the Indian CPians would have to use English to communicate with each other because we have 200 languages in India [Quick Reply][Reply][Email][View Thread][Get Link][Bookmark]
Kant wrote:
How many have you encountered at work?
Not talking about work - but in general. At work, everyone would speak English, so there's never a language barrier. Regards, Nish
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