The language barrier!
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Mohanlal movie will only be watched by Malayalam speakers. People who speak other languages wont bother with a Malayalam movie.
Yea..but those who speak a langauge which is similar to malayalam (but not malyalam )would also watch his movie.right? Then they are also malayalis
jithAtran wrote:
Yea..but those who speak a langauge which is similar to malayalam (but not malyalam )would also watch his movie.right?
Not if they don't understand 75% of the conversation.
jithAtran wrote:
Then they are also malayalis
They are not technically Malayalis, though they are Keralites. But even if you don't speak Malayalam, you are called a Malayali if you are from Kerala. Regards, Nish
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I know Devanagiri is a script.what i meant is,both sanskrit and hindi came follows the same script. You can understand a hindi film easily since the root of that language is there in your blood But English is foreign language.U can very well understand Hydrebad Blues or Monsoon Wedding But its not easy for an indian to understand the language of schindler's list or mission impossible unless he has not gone for an american accent training.Or if he has been watching english movies right from his child hood. Last week even with subtitles I coulnot understand "Momento" fully(Its just my case..leave it)
jithAtran wrote:
You can understand a hindi film easily since the root of that language is there in your blood
I watch and enjoy Tamil movies, but I dislike watching Hindi movies because I don't understand 90% of the conversation and sometimes misinterpret the story line (most Hindi movies may not have much of a story though).
jithAtran wrote:
But English is foreign language.U can very well understand Hydrebad Blues or Monsoon Wedding But its not easy for an indian to understand the language of schindler's list or mission impossible unless he has not gone for an american accent training.Or if he has been watching english movies from his child hood. Last week even with subtitles I coulnot understand "Momento" fully(Its just my case..leave it)
That is correct. Even if you speak English well, it may be hard to fully understand an American accent, if you are not used to it. But in Trivandrum, where I grew up, English movies were always far more popular than Hindi movies. Regards, Nish
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jithAtran wrote:
Yea..but those who speak a langauge which is similar to malayalam (but not malyalam )would also watch his movie.right?
Not if they don't understand 75% of the conversation.
jithAtran wrote:
Then they are also malayalis
They are not technically Malayalis, though they are Keralites. But even if you don't speak Malayalam, you are called a Malayali if you are from Kerala. Regards, Nish
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Yes Nish, that's why people in the North keep living in the North and people in the south keep living in the south. It's big problem here. Without english , damn I can talk only to myself. Next to my desk, sits a Bengali,a Punjabi, a mallu, a guy from Orissa, andhra, maharastra and even an Assamese is here. Its quite a colorful mixture. And moreover our clients roam around. Without any question,English would suit the best. We may brag that we have more than 200 languages with us, but its of no use unless we learn all the 200 !, but anyway people in North can manage somehow with their Hindi. They get along easily with Hindi like lagauages Bengali,Punjabi). And btw in canada how often you'd meet french-speaking people?
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VuNic wrote:
And btw in canada how often you'd meet french-speaking people?
I've never met anyone in Toronto who couldn't speak English. So far anyway :-) Regards, Nish
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Can you imagine that there would be a 25 year old youth in a state of India who has not seen a film which has been made in the language of his own state .
jithAtran wrote:
Can you imagine that there would be a 25 year old youth in a state of India who has not seen a film which has been made in the language of his own state .
Yeah, sure I can. In fact, I knew a few Bengali Keralites who never went to Malayalam movies :-) They don't watch Bengali movies either - since their basic culture is Kerala-like, except for their spoken language. Regards, Nish
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
The northernmost district of Kerala, Kasargode (spelling may vary) has a large number of Tulu speakers. Its adjacent district in Karnataka, Managalore is a Tulu majority district.
Yeah, one of my primary school classmates used to speak Tulu. Btw, Konkani is a language, right? And there's a non-related language called Kongini spoken by a group called Kongini-Brahmins. Kongini is similar to Tulu I believe. Regards, Nish
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Btw, Konkani is a language, right? And there's a non-related language called Kongini spoken by a group called Kongini-Brahmins. Kongini is similar to Tulu I believe.
I doubt if Konkani is related to Tulu. :~ I do know that it is *very* closely related to Marathi. So closely, in fact, that until a couple of decades back, it was considered simply a dialect of Marathi. I can understand Konkani quite well, though I've never studied or learnt the language, and never had any Konkani friends either. Cheers, Vikram.
I don't know and you don't either. Militant Agnostic
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While reading those threads below about using English as a universal language, I was interested by Vivek's comments about how all the Indian CPians would have to use English to communicate with each other because we have 200 languages in India. In fact, when Smitha and I were planning to move out of Kerala for a while, we abandoned any plans of moving to other Indian states, since we'd have a serious communication issue, specially since I don't speak Hindi and Smitha's Hindi would be highly ineffective except for very basic sentences. Our only option was to move to an English-speaking country. Accents may differ, but it's still the same language. In fact we had a lot of trouble at the Chandigarh airport (we went there for Canadian Visa stamping) because no one in the airport spoke English (at least the ones we met) and we had a tough time figuring out where the baggage claim was. We also had a lot of trouble telling autorickshaw drivers where we needed to go, buying stuff from shops, ordering food, asking for drinking water etc. [mod] Here's a partial list of Indian languages :- http://www.kamat.com/indica/diversity/languages.htm[^] [/mod] Regards, Nish
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You know, that is what is so great about things like CP. All kinds of different cultures and such to interact with. I had no idea that India had so many dialects and sub-dialects. Seems odd to me that you could go on vacation in your own country and not be able to communicate. Learn something new everyday. Why is common sense not common? Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level where they are an expert.
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:) there is always somebody who would agree with you and somebody who wouldn't. Actually It would be good to hold on to 24 official languages, or imagine what would happen, if every other language would start getting official status. As there are proponents of every language spoken out there. :-D And in my opinion, issue of language is overbeaten in India. whatever language you speak people always find a way to communicate. It's amazing. Ankita
ankita patel wrote:
And in my opinion, issue of language is overbeaten in India. whatever language you speak people always find a way to communicate. It's amazing.
Exactly. :) Cheers, Vikram.
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jithAtran wrote:
Can you imagine that there would be a 25 year old youth in a state of India who has not seen a film which has been made in the language of his own state .
Yeah, sure I can. In fact, I knew a few Bengali Keralites who never went to Malayalam movies :-) They don't watch Bengali movies either - since their basic culture is Kerala-like, except for their spoken language. Regards, Nish
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The Ultimate Grid - The #1 MFC grid out there!They are originally hailing from some other states.But they would have been well educated and probably would have had a language which is purely official. And kerala is a 100% literecy state and censuses are done correctly.So if all those people whom you are mentioning have been listed as keralites in the records(Even they used to record tribal people)then definitely they would have been taught the language. Even tribal people of kerala know how to read and write.But again there will not be that much tribal people in any of the states.and the rest of the mainstream people can very well understand atleast one official language -- modified at 14:18 Friday 5th May, 2006
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Btw, Konkani is a language, right? And there's a non-related language called Kongini spoken by a group called Kongini-Brahmins. Kongini is similar to Tulu I believe.
I doubt if Konkani is related to Tulu. :~ I do know that it is *very* closely related to Marathi. So closely, in fact, that until a couple of decades back, it was considered simply a dialect of Marathi. I can understand Konkani quite well, though I've never studied or learnt the language, and never had any Konkani friends either. Cheers, Vikram.
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
I doubt if Konkani is related to Tulu.
Not Konkani. Kongini is related to Tulu. Kongini and Konkani are unrelated languages. Regards, Nish
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
but there are sub-dialects
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
I couldn't understand what the guy at the railway station was saying.
Sometimes, I see kids speaking a variant of english that I barely understand I would also argue that the damned SMS-SPK is a dialect of english which I barely understand. Ever heard a real Newcastle or Brummie accent? Heck I can barely understand my Glasweigan Mother-in-law sometimes :D So it just goes to show, even in English we have dialects which are at times difficult to overcome...and thats in a country as small as England! Current blacklist svmilky - Extremely rude | FeRtoll - Rude personal emails | ironstrike1 - Rude & Obnoxious behaviour
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Heck I can barely understand my Glasweigan Mother-in-law sometimes
There was this book that I read a couple of months ago, Buddha Da[^], by Anne Donovan, is written completely in the Glaswegian dialect. You gotta read it! It goes like this: They were sittin cross-legged on the flair in fronty the coffin and they were singin. Ah was aboot tae tell them tae stop, tae get oot afore there was any mair trouble, but somehow ah couldnae. Ah just stood there listeninn. Don't know whit they were singin, but it seemed tae haud me in a kind of spell. I just loved the book! Cheers Smitha Every problem has a gift for you in its hands. -- Richard Bach -- modified at 15:45 Friday 5th May, 2006
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Yes Nish, that's why people in the North keep living in the North and people in the south keep living in the south. It's big problem here. Without english , damn I can talk only to myself. Next to my desk, sits a Bengali,a Punjabi, a mallu, a guy from Orissa, andhra, maharastra and even an Assamese is here. Its quite a colorful mixture. And moreover our clients roam around. Without any question,English would suit the best. We may brag that we have more than 200 languages with us, but its of no use unless we learn all the 200 !, but anyway people in North can manage somehow with their Hindi. They get along easily with Hindi like lagauages Bengali,Punjabi). And btw in canada how often you'd meet french-speaking people?
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VuNic wrote:
but anyway people in North can manage somehow with their Hindi. They get along easily with Hindi like lagauages Bengali,Punjabi).
Thirty years ago, in Calcutta you could ask for directions in English if you didn't know Bengali and you would get a polite answer. If you asked in Hindi, there will be some mutterings about the "Hindustani" and there would be no response! Those were the days!
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Yeah, that's true Kant, a guy here from Hyderabad, talks both in Telugu and Hindi ( but my Delhi friends say what he speaks differs a lot from their version)very well.. and after coming to chennai he's learnt a good Tamil too. Now he can talk 4 languages very well (English,Hindi,Tamil,Telugu)
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VuNic wrote:
but my Delhi friends say what he speaks differs a lot from their version
You better believe it. On a train to Bombay from Madras, there was this Telugu woman who got in at Cudappah who was talikng to the porter in Hindi/Urdu... except that instead of saying "idher" and "udher" she used "ikkada" and "akkada" right in the middle of her Hindi sentences. Strangest Hindi I have ever heard. I had to pinch myself to make sure I wasn't dreaming. :-D
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VuNic wrote:
And btw in canada how often you'd meet french-speaking people?
I've never met anyone in Toronto who couldn't speak English. So far anyway :-) Regards, Nish
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I've never met anyone in Toronto who couldn't speak English.
Sri Lankan Tamil is the first language of Toronto. Go down to Gerard Street if you don't believe me.
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Marc Clifton wrote:
Wow. How'd that happen? Seriously. What's the history of your country's languages? (no, don't tell me, there's a wikipedia link, right?)
Actually, the official total may only be 40 or so, but there are sub-dialects, and languages spoken in low numbers. For instance, my native tongue is Malayalam, but it's spoken differently in northern Kerala, and when I visited my parents a few years ago when they were living there, I couldn't understand what the guy at the railway station was saying. It almost sounded like a different language. Regards, Nish
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The Ultimate Grid - The #1 MFC grid out there!Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
when I visited my parents a few years ago when they were living there, I couldn't understand what the guy at the railway station was saying
Too much C++ and too little Malayalam in your daily conversations caused that problem! :laugh:
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
here are languages related to Malayalam, that's spoken in parts of Kerala which are not Malayalam
Can you please quote an example?.I mean,A place in kerala where they speak a language which is not malayalam but something related to malayalam
In Karnataka, that would be Tulu. A different language with no written form but currently written in Kannada script. A native Tulu speaker (who studied for two years in Trichy) told me that there were more similarities between Tulu and Tamil than between Tulu and Kannada yet the West Coast where Tulu is spoken is separated from Tamil Nadu by Malayalam and Kannada speaking areas.
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ankita patel wrote:
I agree with Nish here.
Glad to see that. I was getting a little frustrated with everyone holding on to the "24 official languages" point :-) Regards, Nish
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The Ultimate Grid - The #1 MFC grid out there!Well, Nagaland has so many different languages that they decided English would be their official language, the only state in India to choose English for that role!
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Temporarily suspends the real post which should have been made All Indian langauges are came out from Sanskrit or 'Devenagiri'.Though Tamilians would not agree..And hindi is very close to sanskrit.The letters are same,many words are similar (eg: kamalam-kamal,ambaram-ambar) and most of these words are also there in almost all the languages.and all the languages did evolve as an after effect of some the cross-cultures. But I would say that you can easily learn a new Indian language.it would not take as much time that you require to learn a foriegn language. As I said in a previous post,being an indian if you learn hindi you can very well understand a hindi film.But when are you going to undersatnd all the dialouges of an english film without subtitles. But we are learning English,since English rules the market.I think by the next five years India will overtake US and UK in terms of the number of english speaking people. And who knows...may be after some 20 years they will have to study Indias updations in english grammer rules in English in their language classes.
jithAtran wrote:
All Indian langauges are came out from Sanskrit or 'Devenagiri'.Though Tamilians would not agree..
So, tell us what characted in Sanskrit you would use to correctly represent the last character in the word "Tamil".
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Temporarily suspends the real post which should have been made All Indian langauges are came out from Sanskrit or 'Devenagiri'.Though Tamilians would not agree..And hindi is very close to sanskrit.The letters are same,many words are similar (eg: kamalam-kamal,ambaram-ambar) and most of these words are also there in almost all the languages.and all the languages did evolve as an after effect of some the cross-cultures. But I would say that you can easily learn a new Indian language.it would not take as much time that you require to learn a foriegn language. As I said in a previous post,being an indian if you learn hindi you can very well understand a hindi film.But when are you going to undersatnd all the dialouges of an english film without subtitles. But we are learning English,since English rules the market.I think by the next five years India will overtake US and UK in terms of the number of english speaking people. And who knows...may be after some 20 years they will have to study Indias updations in english grammer rules in English in their language classes.
jithAtran wrote:
they will have to study Indias updations
Yep.... and understand crazy words such as "updation".
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jithAtran wrote:
All Indian langauges are came out from Sanskrit or 'Devenagiri'.Though Tamilians would not agree..
So, tell us what characted in Sanskrit you would use to correctly represent the last character in the word "Tamil".
I dont understand what you have fully meant.but I did understand that i have got a rebel status in this discussion So "white flag" ...I surrender. ofcourse,All present day indian languages are derived from sanskrit.Ahathiar (Agasthya in sanskrit)who wrote the first Tamil grammer book 'Tholkaapiyam' also was a sanskrit scholar . All indian languages have the same letteres of sanskrit though the script varies (additional letters would be very few )and also there many words which is too similar in many languages which are borrowed from sanskrit.Even if you were a malayali and you dont know a single word in Telugu ,you may understand what a telugu guy speaks ,if you closely listen. Thats the similarity of indian languages sanskrit words like premam,komalam,vanam(Forest) etc are there in most of the indian languages...and apart from this aome common words are there in south indian languages like "Alla","Illa" which is not from sanskrit.