The language barrier!
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Yeah, that's true Kant, a guy here from Hyderabad, talks both in Telugu and Hindi ( but my Delhi friends say what he speaks differs a lot from their version)very well.. and after coming to chennai he's learnt a good Tamil too. Now he can talk 4 languages very well (English,Hindi,Tamil,Telugu)
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VuNic wrote:
but my Delhi friends say what he speaks differs a lot from their version
You better believe it. On a train to Bombay from Madras, there was this Telugu woman who got in at Cudappah who was talikng to the porter in Hindi/Urdu... except that instead of saying "idher" and "udher" she used "ikkada" and "akkada" right in the middle of her Hindi sentences. Strangest Hindi I have ever heard. I had to pinch myself to make sure I wasn't dreaming. :-D
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VuNic wrote:
And btw in canada how often you'd meet french-speaking people?
I've never met anyone in Toronto who couldn't speak English. So far anyway :-) Regards, Nish
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The Ultimate Grid - The #1 MFC grid out there!Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
I've never met anyone in Toronto who couldn't speak English.
Sri Lankan Tamil is the first language of Toronto. Go down to Gerard Street if you don't believe me.
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Marc Clifton wrote:
Wow. How'd that happen? Seriously. What's the history of your country's languages? (no, don't tell me, there's a wikipedia link, right?)
Actually, the official total may only be 40 or so, but there are sub-dialects, and languages spoken in low numbers. For instance, my native tongue is Malayalam, but it's spoken differently in northern Kerala, and when I visited my parents a few years ago when they were living there, I couldn't understand what the guy at the railway station was saying. It almost sounded like a different language. Regards, Nish
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The Ultimate Grid - The #1 MFC grid out there!Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
when I visited my parents a few years ago when they were living there, I couldn't understand what the guy at the railway station was saying
Too much C++ and too little Malayalam in your daily conversations caused that problem! :laugh:
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
here are languages related to Malayalam, that's spoken in parts of Kerala which are not Malayalam
Can you please quote an example?.I mean,A place in kerala where they speak a language which is not malayalam but something related to malayalam
In Karnataka, that would be Tulu. A different language with no written form but currently written in Kannada script. A native Tulu speaker (who studied for two years in Trichy) told me that there were more similarities between Tulu and Tamil than between Tulu and Kannada yet the West Coast where Tulu is spoken is separated from Tamil Nadu by Malayalam and Kannada speaking areas.
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ankita patel wrote:
I agree with Nish here.
Glad to see that. I was getting a little frustrated with everyone holding on to the "24 official languages" point :-) Regards, Nish
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The Ultimate Grid - The #1 MFC grid out there!Well, Nagaland has so many different languages that they decided English would be their official language, the only state in India to choose English for that role!
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Temporarily suspends the real post which should have been made All Indian langauges are came out from Sanskrit or 'Devenagiri'.Though Tamilians would not agree..And hindi is very close to sanskrit.The letters are same,many words are similar (eg: kamalam-kamal,ambaram-ambar) and most of these words are also there in almost all the languages.and all the languages did evolve as an after effect of some the cross-cultures. But I would say that you can easily learn a new Indian language.it would not take as much time that you require to learn a foriegn language. As I said in a previous post,being an indian if you learn hindi you can very well understand a hindi film.But when are you going to undersatnd all the dialouges of an english film without subtitles. But we are learning English,since English rules the market.I think by the next five years India will overtake US and UK in terms of the number of english speaking people. And who knows...may be after some 20 years they will have to study Indias updations in english grammer rules in English in their language classes.
jithAtran wrote:
All Indian langauges are came out from Sanskrit or 'Devenagiri'.Though Tamilians would not agree..
So, tell us what characted in Sanskrit you would use to correctly represent the last character in the word "Tamil".
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Temporarily suspends the real post which should have been made All Indian langauges are came out from Sanskrit or 'Devenagiri'.Though Tamilians would not agree..And hindi is very close to sanskrit.The letters are same,many words are similar (eg: kamalam-kamal,ambaram-ambar) and most of these words are also there in almost all the languages.and all the languages did evolve as an after effect of some the cross-cultures. But I would say that you can easily learn a new Indian language.it would not take as much time that you require to learn a foriegn language. As I said in a previous post,being an indian if you learn hindi you can very well understand a hindi film.But when are you going to undersatnd all the dialouges of an english film without subtitles. But we are learning English,since English rules the market.I think by the next five years India will overtake US and UK in terms of the number of english speaking people. And who knows...may be after some 20 years they will have to study Indias updations in english grammer rules in English in their language classes.
jithAtran wrote:
they will have to study Indias updations
Yep.... and understand crazy words such as "updation".
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jithAtran wrote:
All Indian langauges are came out from Sanskrit or 'Devenagiri'.Though Tamilians would not agree..
So, tell us what characted in Sanskrit you would use to correctly represent the last character in the word "Tamil".
I dont understand what you have fully meant.but I did understand that i have got a rebel status in this discussion So "white flag" ...I surrender. ofcourse,All present day indian languages are derived from sanskrit.Ahathiar (Agasthya in sanskrit)who wrote the first Tamil grammer book 'Tholkaapiyam' also was a sanskrit scholar . All indian languages have the same letteres of sanskrit though the script varies (additional letters would be very few )and also there many words which is too similar in many languages which are borrowed from sanskrit.Even if you were a malayali and you dont know a single word in Telugu ,you may understand what a telugu guy speaks ,if you closely listen. Thats the similarity of indian languages sanskrit words like premam,komalam,vanam(Forest) etc are there in most of the indian languages...and apart from this aome common words are there in south indian languages like "Alla","Illa" which is not from sanskrit.
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
I doubt if Konkani is related to Tulu.
Not Konkani. Kongini is related to Tulu. Kongini and Konkani are unrelated languages. Regards, Nish
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The Ultimate Grid - The #1 MFC grid out there!Ah, ok. I thought it was a variation in spelling. :-O Cheers, Vikram.
I don't know and you don't either. Militant Agnostic
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While reading those threads below about using English as a universal language, I was interested by Vivek's comments about how all the Indian CPians would have to use English to communicate with each other because we have 200 languages in India. In fact, when Smitha and I were planning to move out of Kerala for a while, we abandoned any plans of moving to other Indian states, since we'd have a serious communication issue, specially since I don't speak Hindi and Smitha's Hindi would be highly ineffective except for very basic sentences. Our only option was to move to an English-speaking country. Accents may differ, but it's still the same language. In fact we had a lot of trouble at the Chandigarh airport (we went there for Canadian Visa stamping) because no one in the airport spoke English (at least the ones we met) and we had a tough time figuring out where the baggage claim was. We also had a lot of trouble telling autorickshaw drivers where we needed to go, buying stuff from shops, ordering food, asking for drinking water etc. [mod] Here's a partial list of Indian languages :- http://www.kamat.com/indica/diversity/languages.htm[^] [/mod] Regards, Nish
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Basically politics has ruined this country. When Hindi was declared as the national language many leaders from south and some from west bengal said it was thrust upon them and they discouraged it. West Bengal even discouraged English, now they have realised their mistake. Hindi was selected because it was spoken by a lot of people. By Hindi I mean dialects based on hindi too. Andhra was created on linguistic lines. Now there is talk about Telengana within Andhra, its so sick. I am a Bengali and I have no problems with Hindi. Knowing Hindi is very helpful in this country. I speak four languages(Including English). I can understand some Punjabi, some Gujrati, some Marathi, some Oriya. This is because these languages belong to same stock. Now south indian languages are a problem. There are so different. I am just dying to learn one. For that I will have to move south where people will speak their language with me.
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VuNic wrote:
but my Delhi friends say what he speaks differs a lot from their version
You better believe it. On a train to Bombay from Madras, there was this Telugu woman who got in at Cudappah who was talikng to the porter in Hindi/Urdu... except that instead of saying "idher" and "udher" she used "ikkada" and "akkada" right in the middle of her Hindi sentences. Strangest Hindi I have ever heard. I had to pinch myself to make sure I wasn't dreaming. :-D
Vivic wrote:
there was this Telugu woman who got in at Cudappah who was talikng to the porter in Hindi/Urdu... except that instead of saying "idher" and "udher" she used "ikkada" and "akkada" right in the middle of her Hindi sentences.
:laugh: She probably did not know enough Hindi and subbed Telugu words instead!! :-) As for the 'Hindi' people speak here in Hyderabad is a mix of Urdu and Hindi,some Marathi is also gets in,near border districts of Nizamabad and Adilabad. While Telugu speakers speak the language , they mentally translate from Telugu idiom.While this passes muster here in Hyderabad ,if you go up North people do a double take at some of the words that are used since they wont fit into the context.I know because it happened to us when we toured Delhi,Agra etc.
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
because we have 200 languages in India.
Wow. How'd that happen? Seriously. What's the history of your country's languages? (no, don't tell me, there's a wikipedia link, right?) Marc Pensieve Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson
That's still more than 5,000,000 peoiple per dialect. Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004