Do you believe the existence of Aliens in other planets?
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That's an easy question because The Creator tells us all about it. Genesis 1 mentions everything God created, including the heavens. There is no mention of Him putting life up there. Man was created to rule over the earth (Gen 1:26) and was created in the likeness of God (Gen 1:27). Then why are the stars there, you may ask? Gen 1:14-18 "'...to separate the day from the night, and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days and years; and let them be for lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth'; and it was so. And God made the two great lights, the greater light to govern the day, and the lesser light to govern the night; He made the stars also. And God placed them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth, and to govern the day and the night, and to separate the light from the darkness; and God saw that it was good." So the stars are there for us! A good answer is also given here: UFOs and aliens—is there something going on?[^] Barry Etter
Barry Etter wrote:
So the stars are there for us!
In that case I hope we don't make as big a mess out of them as we have the earth. Steve
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Andy Brummer wrote:
Only if the interpretation is that the entire 14 billion year distance that we can see is all there is
Who can see 14 billion years distance? Most humans are to blind to see something that happended yesterday or something that may will happen tomorrow. You can't even "see" any planet outside our solarsystem directly, you can just see "shadows" and interference of light. We just took same pictures of mars and venus. There might be a civilization on Jupiter and we just don't know (hey - just an example, I don't believe this). There might be hundreds of million planets with life on it and we don't know it and perhaps we'll never know it...
Andy Brummer wrote:
I don't believe one bit of it, there are too many unknowns to just accept that there are no higher organizing principles to physics or cosmology.
Well, when you look on the priciples you can see the godlike spark. :) ------------------------------ PROST Roleplaying Game War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left.
ihoecken wrote:
Who can see 14 billion years distance?
I believe he is referring to the cosmological speed of light issue related to observing across great distances. When we look at the nearest stars only a few light years away, we are looking at the light that left that location a few years earlier so we are in fact observing what has already been. As we observe the billions of light years of the visible universe we are looking farther and farther back in time because it took the light so many years to reach us that the star may not even be there anymore that produced the light that we are observing now. We are looking across 14 billion years as well as 14 billion light years distance even though we are only observing it now. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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I'm not sure if the cosmologists actually believe the universe is infinite - But I'm no expert. If the universe expanded from a singularity (which is a point) and has only been expanding for a finite period of time it hasn't had time to reach infinite size: after all, it would take an infinite amount of time to reach that size. Again however, I'm no expert in these matters. Steve
Stephen Hewitt wrote:
If the universe expanded from a singularity (which is a point) and has only been expanding for a finite period of time it hasn't had time to reach infinite size
Well sometimes the term "singularities" is used - multiple points were different "universes" started and will start from.
Stephen Hewitt wrote:
I'm not sure if the cosmologists actually believe the universe is infinite - But I'm no expert
Some do, some not. Some say the universe is infinite because of curved space. So the space it finite, but the concept is infinite. I can't explain it in english I miss some terms, so I can't describe it better. :sigh: Greetings, Ingo ------------------------------ PROST Roleplaying Game War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left.
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Link2006 wrote:
I mean just look at the sky, how many stars are there! There gotta be some other civilizations exist out there.
Upto this you seem to be sensible. NULL
Meat Loaf wrote:
I mean just look at the sky, how many stars are there! There gotta be some other civilizations exist out there.
Meat Loaf wrote:
Upto this you seem to be sensible.
There is sound statistical logic to Link's comment. Steve
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Maxwell Chen wrote:
There still be the chances to see "Access violation 0xC0000005" or Blue Screen "IRQ_LEVEL_NOT_EQUAL_OR_LESS" ...
those usually manifest themselves ad black holes, well at least the !div/0 errors do anyway... ;) ~Nitron.
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startNitron wrote:
ad black holes, well at least the !div/0 errors do anyway...
I believe that a black hole would be a div/infinite error rather than a divide by 0. divide by 0 might be found in quasars or dark-matter, but since we don't fully understand either. :) _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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ihoecken wrote:
Who can see 14 billion years distance?
I believe he is referring to the cosmological speed of light issue related to observing across great distances. When we look at the nearest stars only a few light years away, we are looking at the light that left that location a few years earlier so we are in fact observing what has already been. As we observe the billions of light years of the visible universe we are looking farther and farther back in time because it took the light so many years to reach us that the star may not even be there anymore that produced the light that we are observing now. We are looking across 14 billion years as well as 14 billion light years distance even though we are only observing it now. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:
I believe he is referring to the cosmological speed of light issue related to observing across great distances.
Yes, I know. It was a little bit sarcastic, sorry. But the point is you may see suns in that distance but no planets, no spaceships, no buildings, no beings. ------------------------------ PROST Roleplaying Game War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left.
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Phil Harding wrote:
is just the product of my own delusions, including you lot
You have nightmares that often? have you consulted someone about that? ;P _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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brianwelsch wrote:
Though I suppose it would be nice to know exactly how far away we might potentially need to blow something up.
Well in every thread (most times in the soapbox) there is someone who wants to blow something up, drop bombs or kill others. Sometimes I wonder if the codeproject might change to be the murder- or terroristproject. Normally it's e..... and know it's you. Shame on you! :^) ------------------------------ PROST Roleplaying Game War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left.
ihoecken wrote:
drop bombs or kill others
Not others. Aliens!!! For Pete's sake, man, don't you get it!??! They're not even people! :mad: BW
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
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Maxwell Chen wrote:
Link2006 must be pretty disappointed after having read your reply.
Oh sorry. That wasn't my intention. I call myself honest (I say what I think) my friends call me cynic. I guess they are right. :^) ------------------------------ PROST Roleplaying Game War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left.
ihoecken wrote:
Oh sorry. That wasn't my intention. I call myself honest (I say what I think) my friends call me cynic. I guess they are right.
I didn't find it cynical at all. quite honest. Of course the ice-cream question assumes mammalian life, but hey, cars also references specifics of our bipedal culture, but hey, I wasn't going to nitpick. :) _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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brianwelsch wrote:
Though I suppose it would be nice to know exactly how far away we might potentially need to blow something up.
And that's what i think it'd end up boiling down to. If we judged them to be at least as technologically advanced as we are, then we'd need to come up with some sort of survelance program, and plan for ultra-long-range warfare, just in case. ...And if we judged them to be less advanced, we'd kindly enslave them and bring them up to date. :rolleyes:
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Shog9 wrote:
we'd kindly enslave them and bring them up to date
Well, it's the right thing to do. ;) BW
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
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Stephen Hewitt wrote:
It can do whatever a computer can.
Maybe so, but the simplest living thing displays far more subtlety and complexity than a computer so I maintain that the game of life is nowhere near complex enough to produce life. I agree 100% that complex systems can be built up from simple components, but life doesn't really use binary, it uses a wide range of complex and subtle interactions that require a wide range of chemicals, and the wider the range of available chemicals, the more opportunities there will be to make successful life. Life would not arise on a planet where there was only Silicon and Arsenic, however they were combined. Steve.
True, but the simplest computer displays far more complexity then an abacus. I am not arguing that a silicon chip is more complex then a frog. Again, when you speak of life you’re speaking about life on earth. This brings me back to my original point: alien like may be, well, alien! You say, "But life doesn't really use binary". I'm not sure about that. Life will, I presume, use what's available. For arguments sake let's assume carbon based life is the most flexible and, again for arguments sake, silicon based life is possible but inferior - One thing is for sure, the silicon based life can't be out competed by carbon based life on a world without carbon. Steve
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Nitron wrote:
ad black holes, well at least the !div/0 errors do anyway...
I believe that a black hole would be a div/infinite error rather than a divide by 0. divide by 0 might be found in quasars or dark-matter, but since we don't fully understand either. :) _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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ihoecken wrote:
drop bombs or kill others
Not others. Aliens!!! For Pete's sake, man, don't you get it!??! They're not even people! :mad: BW
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
-- Steven Wrightbrianwelsch wrote:
Not others. Aliens!!! For Pete's sake, man, don't you get it!??! They're not even people!
Oh sorry. Then it's something totally different. Give me an abomb and I will drop it, if I see the next ufo. :cool: ------------------------------ PROST Roleplaying Game War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left.
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I believe that God made the earth and us. But I don't know why he shouldn't create more "intelligent" beings (if you like to call humans in that way). The second point is that God made everything in the universe, but humans wrote the bible. So we should not think that every word you read there should be taken word-for-word. The bible was translated many times and there are many difference between the first transcription and the translations we read in our days. Greetings, Ingo ------------------------------ PROST Roleplaying Game War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left.
I don't limit God in what he can do, but I do limit myself to what He said He did. Humans wrote the Bible through divine inspiration, i.e. they where simply God's instrument. Also, Jesus refered to the creation account given in Genesis...and He should know! (Mark 10:6, John 5:45-47, for example) If you read Exodus, you will wee several places where God actually wrote for Himself. For example (Exodus 34:1), the Law and the 10 Commandments where written by God in stone. By the way, He also wrote on those stone tablets (Exodus 20:11) that He created the heavens and the earth in 6 literal days, not billions of years. Barry Etter
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brianwelsch wrote:
Not others. Aliens!!! For Pete's sake, man, don't you get it!??! They're not even people!
Oh sorry. Then it's something totally different. Give me an abomb and I will drop it, if I see the next ufo. :cool: ------------------------------ PROST Roleplaying Game War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left.
Now you've got it. ;) BW
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
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True, but the simplest computer displays far more complexity then an abacus. I am not arguing that a silicon chip is more complex then a frog. Again, when you speak of life you’re speaking about life on earth. This brings me back to my original point: alien like may be, well, alien! You say, "But life doesn't really use binary". I'm not sure about that. Life will, I presume, use what's available. For arguments sake let's assume carbon based life is the most flexible and, again for arguments sake, silicon based life is possible but inferior - One thing is for sure, the silicon based life can't be out competed by carbon based life on a world without carbon. Steve
Stephen Hewitt wrote:
One thing is for sure, the silicon based life can't be out competed by carbon based life on a world without carbon.
True! I can't envisage how any kind of life could work in binary. I guess we'll never know though until we meet some form of alien life, capture it, cut it open and subject it to a barrage of intrusive tests. :-D Steve.
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Stephen Hewitt wrote:
One thing is for sure, the silicon based life can't be out competed by carbon based life on a world without carbon.
True! I can't envisage how any kind of life could work in binary. I guess we'll never know though until we meet some form of alien life, capture it, cut it open and subject it to a barrage of intrusive tests. :-D Steve.
viaduct wrote:
I guess we'll never know though until we meet some form of alien life, capture it, cut it open and subject it to a barrage of intrusive tests.
I look forward to it ;-) Steve
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but why you are disappointed ? Hope,Hope is very good in life
WhiteSky wrote:
Hope,Hope is very good in life
Hope, depending on your definition... the angel of mercy released by pandora, or the most dangerous of all plagues of mankind. Hope without effort, or hope without substance is "vain hope," the greatest of human miseries. Most people confuse hope with positive thinking, hope is not and has little to do with positive thinking. Positive thinking could be viewed simply as a more realistic notion that if you keep working at something you will eventually succeed, so you plod on through rough times knowing you will work your way to better times. Hope is blind, eventually good will come because it somehow "must," therefore I need do nothing, I will be rich without work, I will be happy without effort. Thus comes the usual idea that hope is not the greatest virtue, but a very serious problem. "Hope is considered an evil in Pandora's story because according to Hesiod it implies the control of the future, and since no one can control the future, to have hope is to be deluded. Other people think that Hope being left in the box symbolizes Hope often being humanity's only comfort." So it all comes down to your interpretation of what hope is and whether vain hope should be separated from positive thinking. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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I don't limit God in what he can do, but I do limit myself to what He said He did. Humans wrote the Bible through divine inspiration, i.e. they where simply God's instrument. Also, Jesus refered to the creation account given in Genesis...and He should know! (Mark 10:6, John 5:45-47, for example) If you read Exodus, you will wee several places where God actually wrote for Himself. For example (Exodus 34:1), the Law and the 10 Commandments where written by God in stone. By the way, He also wrote on those stone tablets (Exodus 20:11) that He created the heavens and the earth in 6 literal days, not billions of years. Barry Etter
Barry Etter wrote:
If you read Exodus, you will wee several places where God actually wrote for Himself.
Well I read the bible. But I believe in his message, not the word written by humans.
Barry Etter wrote:
He created the heavens and the earth in 6 literal days, not billions of years.
True, but he didn't said in what type of days - the day in heaven might last millions of years on earth. But we shouldn't dispute each others beliefs. I won't mind if you believe every word written in the translated bible. I don't believe it and we won't be able to change each other. No harm meant. :rose: ------------------------------ PROST Roleplaying Game War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left.
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WhiteSky wrote:
Hope,Hope is very good in life
Hope, depending on your definition... the angel of mercy released by pandora, or the most dangerous of all plagues of mankind. Hope without effort, or hope without substance is "vain hope," the greatest of human miseries. Most people confuse hope with positive thinking, hope is not and has little to do with positive thinking. Positive thinking could be viewed simply as a more realistic notion that if you keep working at something you will eventually succeed, so you plod on through rough times knowing you will work your way to better times. Hope is blind, eventually good will come because it somehow "must," therefore I need do nothing, I will be rich without work, I will be happy without effort. Thus comes the usual idea that hope is not the greatest virtue, but a very serious problem. "Hope is considered an evil in Pandora's story because according to Hesiod it implies the control of the future, and since no one can control the future, to have hope is to be deluded. Other people think that Hope being left in the box symbolizes Hope often being humanity's only comfort." So it all comes down to your interpretation of what hope is and whether vain hope should be separated from positive thinking. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:
Hope is considered an evil in Pandora's story because according to Hesiod it implies the control of the future, and since no one can control the future, to have hope is to be deluded. Other people think that Hope being left in the box symbolizes Hope often being humanity's only comfort
Hope was something good in Pandora's story: "I am Hope,said the fairy, Pandora due to your curiosity you have let out all possible troubles for mankind. There will be no peace of mind for humans from this day forth. There will be greed and jealousy,insanity and lust, there will be plague and hatred,men will fight each other,wives will be set against husbands,sons against fathers,brother againgst brother,there will be famine,pestilence,vice and destruction.The world will know great sorrow............... Hearing this Pandora started to cry and sob terribly, for the great harm she had brought upon herself and her fellow humans."Do not cry so much Pandora,said the fairy, "yes it is true that you have unleashed all manner of afflictions upon the world , but you have also let me out. I will always be there to bring hope to humans, whenever they are in trouble. I will always be there as the promise of Hope!. (Found on http://rrr.kimcm.dk/Notes/Pandora.html[^]) (Another link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandora_(mythology)[^]) Well I think you are not totally wrong, but in Pandora's story I see hope as something good. :rolleyes: ------------------------------ PROST Roleplaying Game War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left.