All the Vista Bashing

Chris Losinger

code-frog wrote:

People don't understand that they have a choice

who doesn't understand that ? got any names ?

code-frog wrote:

They don't have to use Vista and they should just make their choice and be quiet.

if people are going to ask questions about Vista in this forum, other people are going to offer their opinions. "be quiet" isn't a CP value. if you want a strictly pro-Vista echo chamber, i'm sure MS has one set up somewhere.

code-frog wrote:

Instead everyone has to be an expert especially with something they haven't used.

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Lost User

David Stone wrote:

The UAC is great, IMO. I needed admin credentials to do things like install software (which I should need anyway) or change system settings, but not for most things that I wanted to do.

Overdue for several years now. -> sudo

David Stone wrote:

And the Aero Glass experience is awesome

Not new again -> Xgl/MacOS

David Stone wrote:

Like when you rename a file in explorer, the selection doesn't include the extension.

I guess that took the delevopers about 5 minutes to program. Not new again -> Gnome What I really liked about Vista (I tested an earlier build a few weeks ago) was the look&feel and the "Windows Calendar". But that was about all. What I had missed was WinFS, Monad and a thought-out UAC, and a proper system-wide software management (keeping all software up-to-date) Right now I'll stick to WinXP (games, development) and Linux (all other stuff). Btw. could you do me a favor? In the last build I tested, Vista did not allow me to use a slash "/" in my PPPoE username. Could you open up that wizard and try to enter a username with a slash in it? thanks regards

Chris Austin

David Stone wrote:

How many of you who are openly bashing on Vista have actually used it for any serious length of time?

Why are you so defensive? It is just a tool. I've been using it for a week and I think that Aero Glass is CRAP. Is there any real reason for the transparent windows? The differentiation between a window in the foreground and a window in the background is wayyyyyyyyyyyy to subtle :) Also, is there any reason for the Title Bar of a window to become pitch black when you maximize a window? This just seems to inconsistent to me. Oh, and who came up with the silly user picture in the menu bar. God forbid I forget who I am. I don't mind UAC. And, I think the built-in mail client and calendar are workable. I don't like the way contacts are managed...seems kind like a kludge to me. I like some of the other options like BitLocker and the “image based system backup”. (Although it better be phenomenal to win my business from Acronis). Also, some of the ideas from Avalon seem pretty cool from a devs point of view. But, based on my current experiance on 2 seperate machines; I am not excited about this product. The question MS needs to answer for me is "why should I upgrade?" I haven’t noticed any real innovation in the user experience. But, why should we rely on MS to do that; rember what the XP in Windows XP was susposed to stand for?....... eXPerience. Oh, why 5 fricken versions Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton

Ed Poore

espeir wrote:

100

How long did it take to do 100 miles? 20 hrs @ 5 mph? Sure you didn't put too much stress on the cat?

You know you're a Land Rover owner when the best route from point A to point B is through the mud. Ed

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led mike

code-frog wrote:

Wagon-bashing

Come on now! No "Wagon-bashing", no "Vista Bashing", aren't we free to bash anything we want? Wait! Accept for freedom! :omg: NO FREEDOM-BASHING! :laugh:

led mike

Chris Austin wrote:

I've been using it for a week

So does that mean you are "Wagon-bashing" or "Vista-bashing"? Or both? ohhhh I'm so confused :confused:

led mike

Greeeg wrote:

Right now I'll stick to...

Try bathing more often, perhaps you won't be quite as sticky. :)

led mike

Yeah but who wants to drive one of those[^] ;P

Chris Austin

What do I call you, a fan-boy? I gave an honest user's review. You'll notice I've even praised some of the features. And who fuck are you to speak up any more than I am. I am a paying MS customer, I've sold MS technoligies to my customers (SQL Server and Win 2003 makes MS lots of friggin money) and I've supported MS dev tools for a long time. Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton

led mike

Not at all flaming you. The seriousness of this thread escapes me so... I am using your "1 week" statement to have some fun with this earlier post[^] where

code-frog wrote:

Wagon-bashing is the term I've coined for it.

Also

Chris Austin wrote:

What do I call you, a fan-boy?

no, "never used it-boy" would be more accurate but I would prefer "mike" or "led" or "led mike" since you are asking :)

Jorgen Sigvardsson

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Jorgen Sigvardsson

If you already own Windows 2000, then an upgrade may seem pointless. But the fact is that XP runs way more smoothly than Windows 2000. It boots faster, it executes faster, and it looks better (even classic mode), at least in my experience. I probably won't use Vista until 2008. (I buy computers every three years :))

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Jorgen Sigvardsson

Crap was once delicious food... :~

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Chris Austin

My apologies :rose: Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton

El Corazon

code-frog wrote:

It's cool to bash Microsoft right?

I can't make fun of SGI anymore. ;P _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

S Douglas

Christopher Duncan wrote:

Perhaps you could provide an API as a service to those of less gifted and glaring wit

I thought there was one already in place, make a stupid post and sooner or later, the GC or in this case the JSOP (John Simmons Outlaw Programmer) will come along and point out the garbage. :) Just remember your not allowed to call the GC or JSOP directly.

I'd love to help, but unfortunatley I have prior commitments monitoring the length of my grass. :Andrew Bleakley:

bob16972

I usually drive my car until it goes boom and fixing it becomes a break even with buying a new one. I don't buy a new one just for a new CD changer or MP3 add on. My programs still work on WinNt because the OS's have hardly changed by themselves since Win32 came about. Most of the improvements are either in newer IE's and I have put the rest of the redistributables in my installation MSI's where needed.

bob16972

My dog believes it is delicious food X|

Joe Woodbury

The same thing happened with XP and before that, with W2k. In the hardware department, the Core 2 Duo chipset may be the first where the cynics haven't pronounced Intel DOA. The reality is that since most new products do fail, the critics have a bigger chance of sounding profound and right if they predict failure. In reality, most critics don't know what the hell they're talking about, especially those that write for national news services (or who are evangelists for competing products.) That said, I used a beta about six months back. The test system graphics card didn't support Aero, but the rest worked fine. I was especially impressed at how easily it installed (it was VERY hard to install XP on the same system due to poorly documented and very obscure hardware that didn't have built in support.) Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke

Rocky Moore

David, just remember .NET around here. It seemed like 99% of the people on CP bashed .NET and C# through the betas and even for the first year. Now, many of those same people are employed using .NET and/or using it at home. Same thing went for Windows XP, where many here bashed it to death who are now running it as their OS as they bash Vista. Some things change, other things stay the same. Personally, I am planing a new system for both the wife and I which will be Vista along with a laptop which is driven by Vista. And at this point, they may be including MS Office with the new redesign (was going to Open Office, but don't think so any more). Also, a lot of people say there is nothing new in Vista, but just the fact that they have taken thier DirectX power and placed it in the desktop allowing full integration with multimedia and using the full power of the top graphics cards is enough of a huge change, but when you dig and see how the guts of the OS is changed, you would think that would be enough, not to mention the increase in security and control... Most only see the flashy graphics and think, "I can be a rebel and not like it, boo.. bad design.. I want graphics I go to a MAC... Down with MS".. Give me a break, they have not spent this time catching up with other platforms, they are blazing past them! Rocky <>< Latest Post: Visual Studio 2005 Standard, whats missing? Blog: www.RockyMoore.com/TheCoder/[^]