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jithAtran - ii wrote:
Thats what I said,the present format of reservation is absolutely ineffective and You can just think the effect of reserving 49.5%(Again I said It is all that Percentage is the matter) seats in premier institutes. I have made it clear that I am not aginst the reservation for STs but there are lot of undeserving castes came up under the OBC and SC section due to politics.In tamilnadu the forward caste people are virtually out of the government jobs.In bihar lots of castes have been included in the OBC section.In U.P ,obviously you can imagine whatever the things can be done by OBC dominated parties like SP and BSP.
So you agree to the fact that reservation is actaully good, and what is bad is the way it is implemented now? A lot of people who oppose reservation now are opposing it blindly - even if a good implementation of the reservation system is promised, they will still oppose it. It seems like they just don't bother about the socially backward. Regards Smitha
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Smitha Vijayan wrote:
It seems like they just don't bother about the socially backward.
Human beings are intrinsically selfish - I think their behavior is natural. No one wants to lose something to anyone else :-) Regards, Nish
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Smitha Vijayan wrote:
What we need is an effective system of reservation - where the totally poor among the lower castes are brought forward in society.
Thats what I said,the present format of reservation is absolutely ineffective and You can just think the effect of reserving 49.5%(Again I said It is all that Percentage is the matter) seats in premier institutes. I have made it clear that I am not aginst the reservation for STs but there are lot of undeserving castes came up under the OBC and SC section due to politics.In tamilnadu the forward caste people are virtually out of the government jobs.In bihar lots of castes have been included in the OBC section.In U.P ,obviously you can imagine whatever the things can be done by OBC dominated parties like SP and BSP.
Smitha Vijayan wrote:
In my state Kerala, there was one such commission appointed: Narendran commission. The results were shocking - even with so much reservations, lower caste people haven't reached anywhere
When did Justice K.K.Narendran expressed such a view Ifact this is the summary of his report The commission found that almost all the Backward Class communities in Kerala improved or were improving their presence in the public services through the system of reservation, and some have even managed to get jobs in excess of their reservation quota. It observed that, however, they still were not yet in a position to reach "adequacy of representation" without the continuance of reservation. It found that the representation of forward castes in public services "is of much less proportion", ranging between 36 per cent and 51 per cent of the total employees in the four categories of public services. The Backward Classes, on the other hand, collectively obtained a bigger share of the posts, their representation ranging from 41 per cent to 48 per cent. Hence in all the four categories, the Backward Classes as a whole secured employment in excess of their combined reservation quota of 40 per cent. However, the commission says that taken individually there are instances where Backward Class communities hold posts substantially fewer in number than their individual reservation quota, or where they have obtained posts in excess of the reservation quota only marginally, or where they have got jobs substantially in excess of their quota (though this is not the general pattern). Thus, according to the commission, "there is cle
jithAtran - ii wrote:
"there is clear inadequacy of backward communities in public services,
That was the part that I was referring to.
jithAtran - ii wrote:
It actually benifts to Muslims,backward christian communities and not OBCs
That is something to do with the way things are in Kerala. Christian farmers are the majority who do rubber farming. The ministry makes sure that rubber farmers get minimum price for their rubber produce all the time - no other farming sector gets as much attention as rubber. It's mostly religious Christian ministers who handle major departments in the state - so be it subsidies for farmers or alloting free forest land for cultivation, it's the Christian community who benefit the most. Very often we also have a huge number of Muslim ministers - and I personally know of cases where the ministers recommend Muslim candidates for the job openings under their departments. Have you observed that majority of officials in our nationalised banks are upper caste-Hindus? My fiend who works in a central government research agency told me how applications of lower caste candidates who apply for research opportunities go to the waste-bins, just like that. We can't mix these issues with the reservation issue. Regards, Smitha
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Smitha Vijayan wrote:
It seems like they just don't bother about the socially backward.
Human beings are intrinsically selfish - I think their behavior is natural. No one wants to lose something to anyone else :-) Regards, Nish
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Thanks Ankita for the correction. You are right, I got the two incidents mixed up! :-O The Missionary-related incident happened in Orissa and not Gujarat! Regards Smitha
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Just wanted to point out the fact. Besides, on the issue of reservation, I see that you are very pro-reservation and you have your reasons. I have my reasons to oppose any further reservations (As I have said before, in the current situation we can't really just abolish the reservation at once, but need to work on it.). But just wanted to bring up a point that when you think about this issue you might be just considering the facts from kerala. But i think every state in india today has different level of situation regarding the reservation. Even if kerala has very high records in terms of literacy, overall southern india is more conservative when it comes to the caste system comapred to the northern india. again there are execptions like bihar and very internal villages of the northern india. Or may be my point of view is just based on what i have seen growing up. I think there is lot of unjust done based on economic background then caste, because of the corruption level. I was even amazed once, when my grandma (she is very old, conservation and illiterate), praised some guys from her village who did good music industry and where doing some social work in their village. They were from very lower caste and i beleive she even went to visit them once at their home. My point is, i haven't seen much discrimination done on the basis of the caste. Again it may be just the environment where i grew up. Ankita
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Just wanted to point out the fact. Besides, on the issue of reservation, I see that you are very pro-reservation and you have your reasons. I have my reasons to oppose any further reservations (As I have said before, in the current situation we can't really just abolish the reservation at once, but need to work on it.). But just wanted to bring up a point that when you think about this issue you might be just considering the facts from kerala. But i think every state in india today has different level of situation regarding the reservation. Even if kerala has very high records in terms of literacy, overall southern india is more conservative when it comes to the caste system comapred to the northern india. again there are execptions like bihar and very internal villages of the northern india. Or may be my point of view is just based on what i have seen growing up. I think there is lot of unjust done based on economic background then caste, because of the corruption level. I was even amazed once, when my grandma (she is very old, conservation and illiterate), praised some guys from her village who did good music industry and where doing some social work in their village. They were from very lower caste and i beleive she even went to visit them once at their home. My point is, i haven't seen much discrimination done on the basis of the caste. Again it may be just the environment where i grew up. Ankita
ankita patel wrote:
Again it may be just the environment where i grew up.
Probably. In Kerala, there's a lot of caste-based hostility. Despite the high literacy rate! Tragedy really. Even now, an inter-caste marriage is frowned upon. And inter-religious marriages result in total havoc from the two families involved. My sister's Muslim classmate was virtually forced to marry someone against her wishes - she was locked in her room for 2 weeks prior to the marriage, and she was told that if she didn't agree, her Christian lover would be killed - imagine her dad telling her, he'd murder her lover if she refused to comply with the bridegroom he chose for her. And all people involved were educated people with good jobs. So, it's really bad here. And based on what I have read, it's not much better elsewhere. I have a different take on handling reservation. Instead of reserving seats, I'd like to see lower-caste people get a lot of financial advantages, money grants, zero-interest car loans, half-rate taxes, sponsorship for foreign education etc. That way, the meritorious candidates can do what they want - while the lower-caste folks can get up socially. Regards, Nish
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ankita patel wrote:
Again it may be just the environment where i grew up.
Probably. In Kerala, there's a lot of caste-based hostility. Despite the high literacy rate! Tragedy really. Even now, an inter-caste marriage is frowned upon. And inter-religious marriages result in total havoc from the two families involved. My sister's Muslim classmate was virtually forced to marry someone against her wishes - she was locked in her room for 2 weeks prior to the marriage, and she was told that if she didn't agree, her Christian lover would be killed - imagine her dad telling her, he'd murder her lover if she refused to comply with the bridegroom he chose for her. And all people involved were educated people with good jobs. So, it's really bad here. And based on what I have read, it's not much better elsewhere. I have a different take on handling reservation. Instead of reserving seats, I'd like to see lower-caste people get a lot of financial advantages, money grants, zero-interest car loans, half-rate taxes, sponsorship for foreign education etc. That way, the meritorious candidates can do what they want - while the lower-caste folks can get up socially. Regards, Nish
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I have a different take on handling reservation. Instead of reserving seats, I'd like to see lower-caste people get a lot of financial advantages, money grants, zero-interest car loans, half-rate taxes, sponsorship for foreign education etc. That way, the meritorious candidates can do what they want - while the lower-caste folks can get up socially.
completely agree and it would be even nicer if it's done based on monetary situation then the caste. I wish that people on both side and politicians give rest to the reservation issue at this point and start looking at the real solutions. I see more people against each other on the basis of caste now then before, which is just shame. :rose: Ankita
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Smitha Vijayan wrote:
Why is all the rage against reservation alone?
It's probably the media that makes a big issue of reservation - it's an issue of course, but the media paints it as if it was more of a problem that it actually is. Also, the government's attempt to bring reservation to IIMs and IITs is not a good move at all! It would just destroy the reputations of those institutions. I've said this before, but for higher education (higher than +2), the govt should fund the education of reservation candidates in private colleges (with high fees). Thus merit-students do not lose seats. Regards, Nish
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It's probably the media that makes a big issue of reservation - it's an issue of course, but the media paints it as if it was more of a problem that it actually is.
Though AIIMS students got some support by the media and intelligentsia,they failed to get support in politics.There was no single party to say anything against the proposed 27% reservation.And AIIMS students did very well know that they were fighting a battele where they would surely be defeated.Atleast they have got an assurance from the HRD minister that no one will be penalised due to reservation(I dont know how this is going to happen). Coming back to politics ,most of the parties are dominated by minorities and OBCs and even a partylike BJP who stood against V.P.singh's mandal propsal is now supporting the present proposal.We dont need any extra glasses to see the votebank behind their decsion.And its hard to believe that though it has leaders like Arun shourie(He was the superstar of anti Mandal-1 agitations through his columns in Indian Express) who holds a great tradition for fighting against the reservation system BJP supports this.
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Also, the government's attempt to bring reservation to IIMs and IITs is not a good move at all! It would just destroy the reputations of those institutions.
Yeah ..You have to understand, Thats the whole issue now. And I am sure that your suggestins for improving the reservation system definetly will not get acceptance among Indian politicians(particlarly DMK and parties from Tamilnadu,SP,BSP,RJD).But They may try to make the reservation to 75 % after some time.
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jithAtran - ii wrote:
Thats what I said,the present format of reservation is absolutely ineffective and You can just think the effect of reserving 49.5%(Again I said It is all that Percentage is the matter) seats in premier institutes. I have made it clear that I am not aginst the reservation for STs but there are lot of undeserving castes came up under the OBC and SC section due to politics.In tamilnadu the forward caste people are virtually out of the government jobs.In bihar lots of castes have been included in the OBC section.In U.P ,obviously you can imagine whatever the things can be done by OBC dominated parties like SP and BSP.
So you agree to the fact that reservation is actaully good, and what is bad is the way it is implemented now? A lot of people who oppose reservation now are opposing it blindly - even if a good implementation of the reservation system is promised, they will still oppose it. It seems like they just don't bother about the socially backward. Regards Smitha
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Smitha Vijayan wrote:
This was your first post: >>>if society started churning out doctors without considering the merit, more than this will happen. A doctor has to be an intelligent perosn where reservation system doesnt work for it.<<< I somehow failed to find the humor in it.
My reply was to Nish and we had clearly discussed the Issue earlier.So never expected that he will reply me with counter arguments since he knows my stand very well. But to my surprise the whole family started attacking me:omg:.But I should admit that you have put forward some good points though it wouldnt affect my opinion.
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jithAtran - ii wrote:
"there is clear inadequacy of backward communities in public services,
That was the part that I was referring to.
jithAtran - ii wrote:
It actually benifts to Muslims,backward christian communities and not OBCs
That is something to do with the way things are in Kerala. Christian farmers are the majority who do rubber farming. The ministry makes sure that rubber farmers get minimum price for their rubber produce all the time - no other farming sector gets as much attention as rubber. It's mostly religious Christian ministers who handle major departments in the state - so be it subsidies for farmers or alloting free forest land for cultivation, it's the Christian community who benefit the most. Very often we also have a huge number of Muslim ministers - and I personally know of cases where the ministers recommend Muslim candidates for the job openings under their departments. Have you observed that majority of officials in our nationalised banks are upper caste-Hindus? My fiend who works in a central government research agency told me how applications of lower caste candidates who apply for research opportunities go to the waste-bins, just like that. We can't mix these issues with the reservation issue. Regards, Smitha
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Muslims are not continuing the education.and its clear that in whole india the number of muslims seen in public services are comparatively lesser. Now are you intended to say that Narendran commission report is fallacious. It would be misleading when you say that uppaer caste officials are trying to hijack the reservation system since politically they suerly wont get support.They know very well that its impossible. And in public service the proportion of upper caste hindus is clearly lower than that of lower castes
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jithAtran - ii wrote:
Thats what I said,the present format of reservation is absolutely ineffective and You can just think the effect of reserving 49.5%(Again I said It is all that Percentage is the matter) seats in premier institutes. I have made it clear that I am not aginst the reservation for STs but there are lot of undeserving castes came up under the OBC and SC section due to politics.In tamilnadu the forward caste people are virtually out of the government jobs.In bihar lots of castes have been included in the OBC section.In U.P ,obviously you can imagine whatever the things can be done by OBC dominated parties like SP and BSP.
So you agree to the fact that reservation is actaully good, and what is bad is the way it is implemented now? A lot of people who oppose reservation now are opposing it blindly - even if a good implementation of the reservation system is promised, they will still oppose it. It seems like they just don't bother about the socially backward. Regards Smitha
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Smitha Vijayan wrote:
A lot of people who oppose reservation now are opposing it blindly - even if a good implementation of the reservation system is promised, they will still oppose it
Shall I correct it in this way.. A lot of people who suppor reservation now are supporting it blindly - even without considering that the agitation is against the huge 27% reservation of OBCs which would result in the total elimination of forward caste people from all faces, they will still oppose the agitation.
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Well, some of those bugs, most notably on chemotherapy machines a few years ago, have killed people because the operator entered a sequence of commands that inadvertently (read "bug") caused the patients to receive maximum dosages.
Are you serious, did that really happened?
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Smitha Vijayan wrote:
This was your first post: >>>if society started churning out doctors without considering the merit, more than this will happen. A doctor has to be an intelligent perosn where reservation system doesnt work for it.<<< I somehow failed to find the humor in it.
My reply was to Nish and we had clearly discussed the Issue earlier.So never expected that he will reply me with counter arguments since he knows my stand very well. But to my surprise the whole family started attacking me:omg:.But I should admit that you have put forward some good points though it wouldnt affect my opinion.
jithAtran - ii wrote:
But to my surprise the whole family started attacking me
:laugh::laugh::laugh:
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Muslims are not continuing the education.and its clear that in whole india the number of muslims seen in public services are comparatively lesser. Now are you intended to say that Narendran commission report is fallacious. It would be misleading when you say that uppaer caste officials are trying to hijack the reservation system since politically they suerly wont get support.They know very well that its impossible. And in public service the proportion of upper caste hindus is clearly lower than that of lower castes
jithAtran - ii wrote:
n whole india the number of muslims seen in public services are comparatively lesser.
I was talking about the situation in Kerala, where the number is on the increase due to undue influence by the Muslim political parties.
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Just wanted to point out the fact. Besides, on the issue of reservation, I see that you are very pro-reservation and you have your reasons. I have my reasons to oppose any further reservations (As I have said before, in the current situation we can't really just abolish the reservation at once, but need to work on it.). But just wanted to bring up a point that when you think about this issue you might be just considering the facts from kerala. But i think every state in india today has different level of situation regarding the reservation. Even if kerala has very high records in terms of literacy, overall southern india is more conservative when it comes to the caste system comapred to the northern india. again there are execptions like bihar and very internal villages of the northern india. Or may be my point of view is just based on what i have seen growing up. I think there is lot of unjust done based on economic background then caste, because of the corruption level. I was even amazed once, when my grandma (she is very old, conservation and illiterate), praised some guys from her village who did good music industry and where doing some social work in their village. They were from very lower caste and i beleive she even went to visit them once at their home. My point is, i haven't seen much discrimination done on the basis of the caste. Again it may be just the environment where i grew up. Ankita
ankita patel wrote:
But i think every state in india today has different level of situation regarding the reservation.
That sounds to me very much possible. In which case, a good idea would be to do an effective evaluation of the situation in different states and implement the required level of reservation for each area. For instance, Bihar might need an intensive reservation activity than, say, Kerala or Haryana.
ankita patel wrote:
Even if kerala has very high records in terms of literacy, overall southern india is more conservative when it comes to the caste system comapred to the northern india
I wouldn't totally deny this, but this varies from region to region within Kerala. There are certain regions which are still very conservative. And, my personal observation is that, in most cases, community spirit gets misinterpreted as caste-ism. Let's say, for example, if upper caste Hindus despise lower caste Hindus and Muslims equally, the former case obviously would be categorised as caste-based.
ankita patel wrote:
I was even amazed once, when my grandma
Very possibly, this might be a family attribute. Your parents, highly possible, might have inherited the quality which might have got passed on to you. But we can't generalise things based on that. Just because your family is lenient does not mean the rest of India is, does it? I am not blindly pro-reservation. In fact, I totally oppose the concept of second generation or even third generation people from backward communities getting the benefits of reservation. A friend of mine who belongs to SC/ST category, used reservation benefits while her father was high up in bureaucracy. That really is unfair. The benefit of reservation should go to the really deserving people who need a helping hand to come-up socially. In fact, financial criteria should be brought in for SC/ST reservation too, at least to some extend, as is done with OBC reservation. Regards, Smitha
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ankita patel wrote:
But i think every state in india today has different level of situation regarding the reservation.
That sounds to me very much possible. In which case, a good idea would be to do an effective evaluation of the situation in different states and implement the required level of reservation for each area. For instance, Bihar might need an intensive reservation activity than, say, Kerala or Haryana.
ankita patel wrote:
Even if kerala has very high records in terms of literacy, overall southern india is more conservative when it comes to the caste system comapred to the northern india
I wouldn't totally deny this, but this varies from region to region within Kerala. There are certain regions which are still very conservative. And, my personal observation is that, in most cases, community spirit gets misinterpreted as caste-ism. Let's say, for example, if upper caste Hindus despise lower caste Hindus and Muslims equally, the former case obviously would be categorised as caste-based.
ankita patel wrote:
I was even amazed once, when my grandma
Very possibly, this might be a family attribute. Your parents, highly possible, might have inherited the quality which might have got passed on to you. But we can't generalise things based on that. Just because your family is lenient does not mean the rest of India is, does it? I am not blindly pro-reservation. In fact, I totally oppose the concept of second generation or even third generation people from backward communities getting the benefits of reservation. A friend of mine who belongs to SC/ST category, used reservation benefits while her father was high up in bureaucracy. That really is unfair. The benefit of reservation should go to the really deserving people who need a helping hand to come-up socially. In fact, financial criteria should be brought in for SC/ST reservation too, at least to some extend, as is done with OBC reservation. Regards, Smitha
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Smitha Vijayan wrote:
am not blindly pro-reservation. In fact, I totally oppose the concept of second generation or even third generation people from backward communities getting the benefits of reservation. A friend of mine who belongs to SC/ST category, used reservation benefits while her father was high up in bureaucracy. That really is unfair. The benefit of reservation should go to the really deserving people who need a helping hand to come-up socially. In fact, financial criteria should be brought in for SC/ST reservation too, at least to some extend, as is done with OBC reservation
So thats it.Both of us were speaking the same. And beware..if this is your attitude you are very much anti-reservation and there are chances of you being called as a worshiper of Manu
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jithAtran - ii wrote:
n whole india the number of muslims seen in public services are comparatively lesser.
I was talking about the situation in Kerala, where the number is on the increase due to undue influence by the Muslim political parties.
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ankita patel wrote:
But i think every state in india today has different level of situation regarding the reservation.
That sounds to me very much possible. In which case, a good idea would be to do an effective evaluation of the situation in different states and implement the required level of reservation for each area. For instance, Bihar might need an intensive reservation activity than, say, Kerala or Haryana.
ankita patel wrote:
Even if kerala has very high records in terms of literacy, overall southern india is more conservative when it comes to the caste system comapred to the northern india
I wouldn't totally deny this, but this varies from region to region within Kerala. There are certain regions which are still very conservative. And, my personal observation is that, in most cases, community spirit gets misinterpreted as caste-ism. Let's say, for example, if upper caste Hindus despise lower caste Hindus and Muslims equally, the former case obviously would be categorised as caste-based.
ankita patel wrote:
I was even amazed once, when my grandma
Very possibly, this might be a family attribute. Your parents, highly possible, might have inherited the quality which might have got passed on to you. But we can't generalise things based on that. Just because your family is lenient does not mean the rest of India is, does it? I am not blindly pro-reservation. In fact, I totally oppose the concept of second generation or even third generation people from backward communities getting the benefits of reservation. A friend of mine who belongs to SC/ST category, used reservation benefits while her father was high up in bureaucracy. That really is unfair. The benefit of reservation should go to the really deserving people who need a helping hand to come-up socially. In fact, financial criteria should be brought in for SC/ST reservation too, at least to some extend, as is done with OBC reservation. Regards, Smitha
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Smitha Vijayan wrote:
Very possibly, this might be a family attribute.
:) not really. but agree that it can't be generalised. What i meant was, we have come way far from the horrifying unjust done to the lower caste in the past.
Smitha Vijayan wrote:
In fact, financial criteria should be brought in for SC/ST reservation too, at least to some extend, as is done with OBC reservation.
:rose: Every sane person in india is saying that, just wish the people whose opinion matters (policy makers) understand that. But hey they are the one keeping quite. :sigh: Another reason for the big outcry against the reservation is that middle income group is the one suffering most from this. India's middle income group is increasing very fast and consist of mostly upper caste hindus (may be you could say not very lower caste, this would also include some OBCs). In other religious groups like muslims and lower caste hindus, i have seen more extrems when it comes to the wealth. Again this is a generalization and can't be applied in every case. Generally middle income group students are under most pressure when it comes to studies or getting admission to the professional univeristy programs and thus they are opposing this most. Ankita
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Smitha Vijayan wrote:
Very possibly, this might be a family attribute.
:) not really. but agree that it can't be generalised. What i meant was, we have come way far from the horrifying unjust done to the lower caste in the past.
Smitha Vijayan wrote:
In fact, financial criteria should be brought in for SC/ST reservation too, at least to some extend, as is done with OBC reservation.
:rose: Every sane person in india is saying that, just wish the people whose opinion matters (policy makers) understand that. But hey they are the one keeping quite. :sigh: Another reason for the big outcry against the reservation is that middle income group is the one suffering most from this. India's middle income group is increasing very fast and consist of mostly upper caste hindus (may be you could say not very lower caste, this would also include some OBCs). In other religious groups like muslims and lower caste hindus, i have seen more extrems when it comes to the wealth. Again this is a generalization and can't be applied in every case. Generally middle income group students are under most pressure when it comes to studies or getting admission to the professional univeristy programs and thus they are opposing this most. Ankita
ankita patel wrote:
middle income group students are under most pressure
I don't really support the financial-reservation-for-all-categories idea. Because, in that case, even before we consider the middle class and their academic pressures, we have to think about those under povertty and who don't have the basic amenities for life. Be it 27% or 50%, if the reservation system is targetted at the really deserving ones, there is nothing wrong in it. Middle class students suffer not just due to reservation issues. Suppose we had no reservations at all. Even then, the system wouldn't be a fair one, will it be? Affluent people who can afford good entrance coaching and who can afford good schooling would easily get into premier institues while the middle class and poor will find it hard to compete with the rich kids. Will we then advocate reservation for the poor [irrespective of caste] in private schools and entrance training centres? My point is, the solution to such problems is not simple. The problems of middle class people span a bigger area, and the root causes have to be solved. Middle class or upper class, if there are only 50% or 70% merit seats available, the fittest of them will survive. There is no other choice. Regards Smitha
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Smitha Vijayan wrote:
am not blindly pro-reservation. In fact, I totally oppose the concept of second generation or even third generation people from backward communities getting the benefits of reservation. A friend of mine who belongs to SC/ST category, used reservation benefits while her father was high up in bureaucracy. That really is unfair. The benefit of reservation should go to the really deserving people who need a helping hand to come-up socially. In fact, financial criteria should be brought in for SC/ST reservation too, at least to some extend, as is done with OBC reservation
So thats it.Both of us were speaking the same. And beware..if this is your attitude you are very much anti-reservation and there are chances of you being called as a worshiper of Manu
jithAtran - ii wrote:
Both of us were speaking the same.
I am not sure about that. I am advocating for reservation, with the hope that it is implemented effectively to attain its purpose. If that's your opion too, then, you are right - we are speaking the same. And also, I am not a supporter of income-based-reservation-for-all. Regards Smitha :)
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jithAtran - ii wrote:
Both of us were speaking the same.
I am not sure about that. I am advocating for reservation, with the hope that it is implemented effectively to attain its purpose. If that's your opion too, then, you are right - we are speaking the same. And also, I am not a supporter of income-based-reservation-for-all. Regards Smitha :)
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Smitha Vijayan wrote:
And also, I am not a supporter of income-based-reservation-for-all.
There I disagree..I dont feel reservation is the best way to bring backward caste(only STs)to the mainstream and reservation will also force forward caste to the backstream. And whats the problem if reservation is done in poverty basis?....Yeah I know its a tedious task to select deserving people on poverty basis and selection by caste basis is rather easy.. And you said you are not supporting reservation which extends to the second or third generation.Thts brave quote from a supporter of reservation.But who will listen to you? One more last note: The present agitation was only agianst the proposed 27% reservation in government jobs and educational institutes which is a sheer cruelty towards the country in my opinion.