Middle East
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it's not supposed to be funny
by "not funny" i mean he should not have say this. Its not a common-sense thing to say. You cant compare anybody to hitler. He was a pure racist murder. There is nobody like him. - Dan "Intel inside - Idiot outside"
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Michael P Butler wrote: The key is communication and education you're right. That is the main problem here. The education. From the day a palestinain born (not every palestinian of course, I make no collective) he is taught to throw stones at Tzahal soldiers. Later he use rifles and than goes to bomb himself. Its start with the education when they're young. The problem is that the hatred is so strong and that you cant change their point of view after years of miseducation. - Dan "Intel inside - Idiot outside"
Dan Pomerchik wrote: The problem is that the hatred is so strong and that you cant change their point of view after years of miseducation. Their fathers and brothers are humiliated by those soldiers. Some of their playmates have been shot by those soldiers when throwing stones. (bullets vs stones , nice match)
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well forget about the pigskin. I don't tend to say its the solution or anything. But its obvious that talking is not the solution. I don't know what to do and my government dont either - and that's the problem. its a tough situation , and I dont envy Sharon or anybody else. It's easy to talk from outside. - Dan "Intel inside - Idiot outside"
I have a great admiration for Rabin because he had the courage to talk and to seek a way out of the spiral of violence. Sharon is just reaping the results of his own actions. It is indeed easy to talk from the outside but then again we can talk without much emotional problems. Do you really think that waging war on the Palestinians like Sharon is doing now will solve the situation ?
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The pie that is righfully yours ?
Not at all. It's not mine rightfully, but when we wanted to give them some of the land they want , all they say is they want all. they won't compromise. so, what should we do, give up all our country? - Dan "Intel inside - Idiot outside"
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Not at all. It's not mine rightfully, but when we wanted to give them some of the land they want , all they say is they want all. they won't compromise. so, what should we do, give up all our country? - Dan "Intel inside - Idiot outside"
They never stated they wanted all. They want Jerusalem (or part of it) which apparently Israel is not prepared to share.
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Karl wrote: I'm not sure he has the control over all the terrorist groups That's right. He dont have the control over all of them. But he dont do anything to stop the bombs. He supports it. Karl wrote: Somebody has to go between to stop the fight. Yes. And that should come from the exterior. Karl wrote: undiscriminated violence is not the solution I haven't said it is. I just dont think that by talking between ourselves we will solve anything. I am against violence in general , but they passed all the lines. - Dan "Intel inside - Idiot outside"
Dan Pomerchik wrote: That's right. He dont have the control over all of them. But he dont do anything to stop the bombs. He supports it. And the proof of that is ? Besides how is he going to stop them when Israel has all but destroyed his police force ?
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wtf?! if you like to know , one year ago i was the only one that said we can make a peace and talk to them. Every time i turn on the TV I see more bombs and more death and more tears and more pain. Why? because we don't do anything. John Smith wrote: This really surprise me, as Jews got the same treatment from the Nazi's That's right. I am supporting this opinion BUT John Smith wrote: Now you are doing the same to the Pallistians. WHAT EXACTLY are we doing to them!? nothing! after the lynch in ramalla about one year ago, which was a terrible thing what we did? we blow their radio station. so what? we warned them first so they can escape from there , so NO HURT will be made. what exactly we're doing to them ? i wanna know. [EDIT] INNOCENT PALESTIANS!? - we aint innocent either , but them!? YOU dont see the WHOLE picture. you see crap. you see us. you dont see them blowing us to pieces. ITS CRAPPY UNBELIEVABLE. you cant talk like that unless you live here. - Dan "Intel inside - Idiot outside"
Dan Pomerchik wrote: John Smith wrote: This really surprise me, as Jews got the same treatment from the Nazi's That's right. I am supporting this opinion BUT No comments. Dan Pomerchik wrote: WHAT EXACTLY are we doing to them!? nothing! To begin with, just compare the number of victims from each side over the past year or two! You see pain and sorrow of Jews, but you don't see, or rather don't want to see, pain and sorrow of Arabs. It looks like (and your posts prove it) you treat them like some sort of animals rather than human beings. That is very close indeed to what the Nazi's did with respect to Jews. Regards, Nikolay
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I have a great admiration for Rabin because he had the courage to talk and to seek a way out of the spiral of violence. Sharon is just reaping the results of his own actions. It is indeed easy to talk from the outside but then again we can talk without much emotional problems. Do you really think that waging war on the Palestinians like Sharon is doing now will solve the situation ?
William De Prêtre wrote: I have a great admiration for Rabin Me too. I was very sad when he was murdered. William De Prêtre wrote: Do you really think that waging war on the Palestinians like Sharon is doing now will solve the situation ? Well no, but Sharon is not doing a waging war on them. Of course, he gotta react after 3 bombs in one day.What do you want him to do? nothing ? - Dan "Intel inside - Idiot outside"
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by "not funny" i mean he should not have say this. Its not a common-sense thing to say. You cant compare anybody to hitler. He was a pure racist murder. There is nobody like him. - Dan "Intel inside - Idiot outside"
Pol Pot ? Anyway, Sharon may not be Hitler yet but he's getting there slowly but surely. PS : tell me, a long while ago footage was shown of Israeli soldiers breaking Palestian boys' arms with rocks. What is the military purpose of this ? Does it stop terrorism ?
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by "not funny" i mean he should not have say this. Its not a common-sense thing to say. You cant compare anybody to hitler. He was a pure racist murder. There is nobody like him. - Dan "Intel inside - Idiot outside"
But Sharon thinks like HItler... He just want to wipe out the pallistianian, Just like Hitler wanted to wipe out Jews
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Dan Pomerchik wrote: John Smith wrote: This really surprise me, as Jews got the same treatment from the Nazi's That's right. I am supporting this opinion BUT No comments. Dan Pomerchik wrote: WHAT EXACTLY are we doing to them!? nothing! To begin with, just compare the number of victims from each side over the past year or two! You see pain and sorrow of Jews, but you don't see, or rather don't want to see, pain and sorrow of Arabs. It looks like (and your posts prove it) you treat them like some sort of animals rather than human beings. That is very close indeed to what the Nazi's did with respect to Jews. Regards, Nikolay
Nikolay Denisov wrote: No comments I didn't get it. By saying I was supporting his opinion i just meant we should not forget what we had with germany, and keep that in mind. Nikolay Denisov wrote: number of victims from each side over the past year or two! What the hell are you talking about? We got a bomb here every day. More than a bomb a day. The last few days we had about 8 bombs. Every bomb like that is tenth's of wounded (which usually some of them die later) and death. And I do see their pain. They have no country, no work, no nothing. But we cant just give them our land so they will be happy. think about that. Nikolay Denisov wrote: That is very close indeed to what the Nazi's did with respect to Jews. It is so not based that i have nothing to say. - Dan "Intel inside - Idiot outside"
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William De Prêtre wrote: I have a great admiration for Rabin Me too. I was very sad when he was murdered. William De Prêtre wrote: Do you really think that waging war on the Palestinians like Sharon is doing now will solve the situation ? Well no, but Sharon is not doing a waging war on them. Of course, he gotta react after 3 bombs in one day.What do you want him to do? nothing ? - Dan "Intel inside - Idiot outside"
Dan Pomerchik wrote: Well no, but Sharon is not doing a waging war on them I must have blinked ? What is he doing then ? Inviting them for a picknick ? Sharon is training the next wave of suicide bombers. All Sharon has to do is to swallow his pride and to talk with Arafat but it probably will be too late for that.
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Dan Pomerchik wrote: That's right. He dont have the control over all of them. But he dont do anything to stop the bombs. He supports it. And the proof of that is ? Besides how is he going to stop them when Israel has all but destroyed his police force ?
William De Prêtre wrote: destroyed his police force His ""police force"" is a couple of murderers! When the lynch was, their "police" were just looking on them murdering in a very violent way two of our soldiers. AND - arafat is a big insparation for them. They take what he said as holy. - Dan "Intel inside - Idiot outside"
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Dan Pomerchik wrote: Well no, but Sharon is not doing a waging war on them I must have blinked ? What is he doing then ? Inviting them for a picknick ? Sharon is training the next wave of suicide bombers. All Sharon has to do is to swallow his pride and to talk with Arafat but it probably will be too late for that.
talking to arafat is like talking to a toilet paper. William De Prêtre wrote: Inviting them for a picknick What they do ? they bomb us. you see only them. I tell you, when you here you see the whole picture. You think they're innocent and all that crap. Well yes, their babies are inoncent. but from the age of 6 they throw stones because that what they got from their lovely parents. so you see a picture of a soldier with rifle standing against a child with a stone. then you say - "i dont beleive it , they send out soldiers against children!" well i got something to tell you - stones can kill too. and what do you want , that we throw on them stones too? - Dan "Intel inside - Idiot outside"
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William De Prêtre wrote: destroyed his police force His ""police force"" is a couple of murderers! When the lynch was, their "police" were just looking on them murdering in a very violent way two of our soldiers. AND - arafat is a big insparation for them. They take what he said as holy. - Dan "Intel inside - Idiot outside"
Dan Pomerchik wrote: His ""police force"" is a couple of murderers! When the lynch was, their "police" were just looking on them murdering in a very violent way two of our soldiers. AND - arafat is a big insparation for them. They take what he said as holy. Dont talk crap... We are not talking about just a few policeman, we are talking about you destroying the only lawful authority in Pallistine, How will they control law and order when the murdering soldiers of Israel leave.
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They never stated they wanted all. They want Jerusalem (or part of it) which apparently Israel is not prepared to share.
they want whole jerusalem. of course its not practical because the "kotel" is there and there's no way we give it. - Dan "Intel inside - Idiot outside"
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talking to arafat is like talking to a toilet paper. William De Prêtre wrote: Inviting them for a picknick What they do ? they bomb us. you see only them. I tell you, when you here you see the whole picture. You think they're innocent and all that crap. Well yes, their babies are inoncent. but from the age of 6 they throw stones because that what they got from their lovely parents. so you see a picture of a soldier with rifle standing against a child with a stone. then you say - "i dont beleive it , they send out soldiers against children!" well i got something to tell you - stones can kill too. and what do you want , that we throw on them stones too? - Dan "Intel inside - Idiot outside"
Dan Pomerchik wrote: but from the age of 6 they throw stones because that what they got from their lovely parents Compare 6 year old kids with Israel Soldiers with Guns... Tells the whole story of the unfair war currently happening
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why not ? I know it sounds primitive, but if it is the only thing that will stop the suicides than we should go for it. - Dan "Intel inside - Idiot outside"
Is it just me or that the thread is too cluttered to read ? :-) - Dan "Intel inside - Idiot outside"
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William De Prêtre wrote: destroyed his police force His ""police force"" is a couple of murderers! When the lynch was, their "police" were just looking on them murdering in a very violent way two of our soldiers. AND - arafat is a big insparation for them. They take what he said as holy. - Dan "Intel inside - Idiot outside"
Sure, when a mob is lynching people I'll make sure to step in stop them. Dan Pomerchik wrote: arafat is a big insparation for them. They take what he said as holy. So way did Sharon declare him irrelevant. That was possibly the stupidest move he ever made. Sharon is letting his personal hate for Arafat rule his decisions and both Israel & the Palistinians suffer because of that.
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Imran Farooqui wrote: Who said that ???? Thats not true. I was speaking of the local people not the actual religions. I am aware to an extent of how much what the Islamic religion is has been missinterpreted in at least the US and understand your issue with how I worded my sentence. My appoligies. My general point is when it comes to hating people there seems to be no end generation after generation. Imran Farooqui wrote: So ,Palestinians also reserves right to defend themselves. But poor Palestinians do not have such advance technology to defend themselves from advance Israelian weapons, so the only alternative left is to sacrifice their lives in order to teach the lesson to their opponents and in this war muslim women are also taking equal part with their brothers. You have just said you think the attack on the World Trade Center was justified. There is no differnece in applying your words to both cases. I really disagree with you. Good ideas are not adopted automatically. They must be driven into practice with courageous patients. -Admiral Rickover. ...
First: I do NOT agree with murdering civilians on ANY side of a conflict. But while you cannot possibly accept the killings of a madman(or mad woman), then you MUST try to understand what drives them mad. Imran has a point when he argues that the Palestinians are virtually unarmed compared to Israel. The Israelian government has for years sought to eliminate the Palestinian problem by either termination or assimilation, people like Sharon are just as keen on driving what is left of Palestine into the ocean as the Arabian league is to destroy the state of Israel. The western powers that made the state of Israel a reality, have for years turned the blind eye to what has happened to Palestine ever since. So what can the Palestinians do?, roll over and play dead?... If we want to make a difference then we MUST give the Palestinians some better cards to play, otherwise we just do NOT have the moral rights to blame them for playing (really) dirty. Michael A. Barnhart wrote: You have just said you think the attack on the World Trade Center was justified. There is no differnece in applying your words to both cases Yes there is, when Palestinian madmen are killing innocents in Israel, they are doing it inside what was once their own borders... Jan "It could have been worse, it could have been ME!"