What is missing in all football (soccer) rants...
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Diego Moita wrote:
People who love football love it also because of its "defects". We (in the 3rd world) like it exactly because our lives are like a football game: very precarious, undecided, unclear and full of injustice. Our countries and societies are not rulled by strong institutions, those who deserve do not always win and you can't trust in police and judges (or referees). What we do in places like these is to constantly reinvent a way to survive. It is a constant precariousness, just like football. Once you see it that way, you might begin to like it...
So.. you like this kind of life so much? :laugh: BTW, if there is a 3rd world... what is the second one? :omg:
Super Lloyd wrote:
BTW, if there is a 3rd world... what is the second one?
The second world is largly gone these days, there are pockets of it left. It was the communist totalitarian states such as the USSR. For all China is still a totalitarian state, it is hardly communist any more.
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You're waaaaaaay over-analyzing things there. American adults don't like soccer because we have more sports to watch, sports that make soccer look incredibly dull by comparison. Soccer is actually very popular among young kids, because it's a simple game that young kids can grok. There's even a national organization: AYSO[^] And yes, I just spoke for all 280 million Americans ;P
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Michael Dunn wrote:
American adults don't like soccer because we have more sports to watch, sports that make soccer look incredibly dull by comparison.
I went to an American Football game once. I'd never seen one before and the program said it was a 4 quarters of 15 minutes. Okay, fair enough, I thought. 3 hours later and I'm still in the stadium and I was falling asleep. What an increadibly dull game!
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Super Lloyd wrote:
BTW, if there is a 3rd world... what is the second one?
The second world is largly gone these days, there are pockets of it left. It was the communist totalitarian states such as the USSR. For all China is still a totalitarian state, it is hardly communist any more.
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Interesting. I'm too young, I didn't know of it, and only today I wondered! :-D
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Michael Dunn wrote:
American adults don't like soccer because we have more sports to watch, sports that make soccer look incredibly dull by comparison.
I went to an American Football game once. I'd never seen one before and the program said it was a 4 quarters of 15 minutes. Okay, fair enough, I thought. 3 hours later and I'm still in the stadium and I was falling asleep. What an increadibly dull game!
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You're waaaaaaay over-analyzing things there. American adults don't like soccer because we have more sports to watch, sports that make soccer look incredibly dull by comparison. Soccer is actually very popular among young kids, because it's a simple game that young kids can grok. There's even a national organization: AYSO[^] And yes, I just spoke for all 280 million Americans ;P
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Michael Dunn wrote:
because it's a simple game that young kids can grok
simple to play for very young children. It has taken over from little league because of the simplicity. Only a small percentage of 7 and 8 year olds can do anything on a baseball diamond. The sport requires eye hand coordination. Just about any kid can kick a soccer ball.
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
What an increadibly dull game!
Many sports can be dull if you don't understand them. So is the sport dull or the spectator? :-D
led mike wrote:
So is the sport dull or the spectator?
Me, I'm an increadibly interesting person. The sport is dull and the organisers know it because of the amount of eye candy in the form of pretty dancing girls to keep the crowd entertained. They aren't there for any other reason than to keep the audience in the stadium. If they weren't there the stadium would be near empty. The last time I was at a proper football match the non-sporting entertainment was "Sammy the Tammy" which was just a guy dressed up in a squirrle suit with a cap on its head that ran around the park a couple of times keeping everyone entertained BEFORE the game started.
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led mike wrote:
So is the sport dull or the spectator?
Me, I'm an increadibly interesting person. The sport is dull and the organisers know it because of the amount of eye candy in the form of pretty dancing girls to keep the crowd entertained. They aren't there for any other reason than to keep the audience in the stadium. If they weren't there the stadium would be near empty. The last time I was at a proper football match the non-sporting entertainment was "Sammy the Tammy" which was just a guy dressed up in a squirrle suit with a cap on its head that ran around the park a couple of times keeping everyone entertained BEFORE the game started.
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
The sport is dull and the organisers know it because of the amount of eye candy in the form of pretty dancing girls
Not logical. NBA always had pretty dancing girls but still was not popular until recent years. The popularity of the "sport" of basketball has risen dramatically in the past 30 years. That is why the spectatorship has increased not because of the commercialization. PGA spectatorship has risen in the past decade due to the rise in popularity of the "sport" (if you can call it that) of Golf, they have no pretty dancing girls. I imagine most spectators of PGA events actually play golf, that's why they don't find it dull.
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What a load of rubbish. Soccer (or football, whatever you call it) has rules. Those who do not obey the rules are cheating. Simple. It makes no difference where you're from or what your life is like.
Diego Moita wrote:
their institutions work, their justice is most of times just.
Not sure where you got that from. It's simply not true.
Diego Moita wrote:
those who deserve do not always win and you can't trust in police and judges (or referees).
I hate to break it to you, but that's the same everywhere. I live in Australia, and it's exactly like that here. The point is that soccer is an international sport, and as such, it has rules that the players must abide by to ensure that everyone gets a fair go. Remember that there are many different countries competing, and you can't favour some over others. It has to be structured to ensure that it can be played fairly by everyone. Soccer is not an acting recital. The object of the game is to score goals to legitimately beat the opposition, not to see who can get the most free kicks by pretending they are injured. I think the players often forget that.
Ryan
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Of course football has rules, but the fact that the referee is a human that can be mistaken sometimes, spices the game (among other factors). I can imagine the frustration Australian fans are feeling because the referee invented a penalty kick that didn't exist, and that mistake eliminated Australia from advancing to quarter finals. A polar bear is a bear whose coordinates has been changed in terms of sine and cosine.
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
The sport is dull and the organisers know it because of the amount of eye candy in the form of pretty dancing girls
Not logical. NBA always had pretty dancing girls but still was not popular until recent years. The popularity of the "sport" of basketball has risen dramatically in the past 30 years. That is why the spectatorship has increased not because of the commercialization. PGA spectatorship has risen in the past decade due to the rise in popularity of the "sport" (if you can call it that) of Golf, they have no pretty dancing girls. I imagine most spectators of PGA events actually play golf, that's why they don't find it dull.
led mike wrote:
I imagine most spectators of PGA events actually play golf, that's why they don't find it dull.
I don't play rugby, but of all the sports that is the most exciting. I'm sorry, but back to American Football, if the programme says that the sport takes 60 minutes in 4 quarters, I expect to see a game and be out of the stadium in about 90 minutes. But there is a lot of stopping and starting and dragging out of everything. All in all there is probably only a few minutes of real excitement on the park. A good game of Rugby between two equally matched teams is wall to wall excitement for the full 80 minutes of game time. They have about 5 - 10 minutes of break in the middle and that is it. There is no need for pretty dancing girls. The pre-match entertainment is the massed pipe and drums of some army regiment. Even between mismatched teams it is exciting. I saw Scotland play South Africa who were the reigning world champions at the time and that was a great game. I had no illusions that Scotland were ever going to win the game, but I paid my ticket to see my team lose because I knew it would be exciting.
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Of course football has rules, but the fact that the referee is a human that can be mistaken sometimes, spices the game (among other factors). I can imagine the frustration Australian fans are feeling because the referee invented a penalty kick that didn't exist, and that mistake eliminated Australia from advancing to quarter finals. A polar bear is a bear whose coordinates has been changed in terms of sine and cosine.
Fernando A. Gómez F. wrote:
but the fact that the referee is a human that can be mistaken sometimes, spices the game (among other factors).
Possibly, but that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the blatant acting the players undertake simply to get a free kick and get an unfair advantage.
Ryan
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led mike wrote:
I imagine most spectators of PGA events actually play golf, that's why they don't find it dull.
I don't play rugby, but of all the sports that is the most exciting. I'm sorry, but back to American Football, if the programme says that the sport takes 60 minutes in 4 quarters, I expect to see a game and be out of the stadium in about 90 minutes. But there is a lot of stopping and starting and dragging out of everything. All in all there is probably only a few minutes of real excitement on the park. A good game of Rugby between two equally matched teams is wall to wall excitement for the full 80 minutes of game time. They have about 5 - 10 minutes of break in the middle and that is it. There is no need for pretty dancing girls. The pre-match entertainment is the massed pipe and drums of some army regiment. Even between mismatched teams it is exciting. I saw Scotland play South Africa who were the reigning world champions at the time and that was a great game. I had no illusions that Scotland were ever going to win the game, but I paid my ticket to see my team lose because I knew it would be exciting.
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
I don't play rugby, but of all the sports that is the most exciting.
What little I've seen of it I can tell that it probably is exciting but since I don't understand it it becomes dull very soon.
Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
But there is a lot of stopping and starting and dragging out of everything.
The stopping and starting is part of the nature of the game. If you played a football game say in High school or college it seems very fast paced. The 30 seconds between plays goes by very fast. The dragging out is an artifact of the NFL and the commercialized aspects. See a NCAA football game and it won't be dragged out.
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
I don't play rugby, but of all the sports that is the most exciting.
What little I've seen of it I can tell that it probably is exciting but since I don't understand it it becomes dull very soon.
Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
But there is a lot of stopping and starting and dragging out of everything.
The stopping and starting is part of the nature of the game. If you played a football game say in High school or college it seems very fast paced. The 30 seconds between plays goes by very fast. The dragging out is an artifact of the NFL and the commercialized aspects. See a NCAA football game and it won't be dragged out.
"Just about every question you've asked over the last 3-4 days has been "urgent". Perhaps a little planning would be helpful?"
Colin Angus Mackay in the C# forumled mike
led mike wrote:
since I don't understand it it becomes dull very soon.
I don't think that is a reason for it to be dull. I don't understand snooker (I can barely play pool) yet on the odd occasion that I've watched it I found it to be interesting.
led mike wrote:
The dragging out is an artifact of the NFL and the commercialized aspects. See a NCAA football game and it won't be dragged out.
Perhaps I need to do that.
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led mike wrote:
since I don't understand it it becomes dull very soon.
I don't think that is a reason for it to be dull. I don't understand snooker (I can barely play pool) yet on the odd occasion that I've watched it I found it to be interesting.
led mike wrote:
The dragging out is an artifact of the NFL and the commercialized aspects. See a NCAA football game and it won't be dragged out.
Perhaps I need to do that.
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
I don't understand snooker (I can barely play pool) yet on the odd occasion that I've watched it I found it to be interesting.
Ok but snooker does not compare with Rugby. I mean it doesn't take much to understand Tennis right? But Rugby with the announcers using words I don't even know the meaning of... I couldn't get it at all. :doh:
"Just about every question you've asked over the last 3-4 days has been "urgent". Perhaps a little planning would be helpful?"
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
I don't understand snooker (I can barely play pool) yet on the odd occasion that I've watched it I found it to be interesting.
Ok but snooker does not compare with Rugby. I mean it doesn't take much to understand Tennis right? But Rugby with the announcers using words I don't even know the meaning of... I couldn't get it at all. :doh:
"Just about every question you've asked over the last 3-4 days has been "urgent". Perhaps a little planning would be helpful?"
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led mike wrote:
Ok but snooker does not compare with Rugby. I mean it doesn't take much to understand Tennis right?
It doesn't take much to understand Rugby either. It is somewhat similar to American Football except the players don't wear all that protective gear, a "touchdown" is a "try" a "conversion" is a PAT (but worth 2 points), there are 15 players who don't get swapped out depending on whether they are playing in an offensive or defensive position and the game doesn't stop and start all the time. There are two halves of 40 minutes each.
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led mike wrote:
Ok but snooker does not compare with Rugby. I mean it doesn't take much to understand Tennis right?
It doesn't take much to understand Rugby either. It is somewhat similar to American Football except the players don't wear all that protective gear, a "touchdown" is a "try" a "conversion" is a PAT (but worth 2 points), there are 15 players who don't get swapped out depending on whether they are playing in an offensive or defensive position and the game doesn't stop and start all the time. There are two halves of 40 minutes each.
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
the game doesn't stop and start all the time
Interesting... so how do the implement any sort of strategy?
led mike wrote:
so how do the implement any sort of strategy?
It isn't forbidden to speak during the game you know. They can decide on an overall strategy at the start and at half time but during the game the players actually talk to one another. Also, Rugby players tend to be very intelligent people - A few years ago the Scotland team captain was a medical doctor also.
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led mike wrote:
so how do the implement any sort of strategy?
It isn't forbidden to speak during the game you know. They can decide on an overall strategy at the start and at half time but during the game the players actually talk to one another. Also, Rugby players tend to be very intelligent people - A few years ago the Scotland team captain was a medical doctor also.
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
but during the game the players actually talk to one another.
Of course that is what the break is for in US football, to talk, call a play without the other team hearing what play you called, your whole team hears it, the other team does not. Seems reasonable to me, no?