How do you cope?
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David Stone wrote:
When a Christian tells someone else of their own beliefs, it's usually out of a desire to help the other person.
I don't think so - I usually see it as an attempt to convert someone :-)
David Stone wrote:
Christianity isn't some pyramid scheme where you get more points in heaven for every person you sign up...
Most Christians I've known in my life (with some really nice exceptions of course) seemed to behave like there was this pyramid-model. Every chance they got to talk about Jesus they would, even if they could clearly see that the listener wasn't in the least interested. Regards, Nish
Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blog (New)Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
I usually see it as an attempt to convert someone
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Every chance they got to talk about Jesus they would, even if they could clearly see that the listener wasn't in the least interested.
Some people just get excited about things. I can get excited talking about basketball to people. I can certainly understand someone being excited about the concept of being "saved" etc. People seriously need to chill about this a bit.
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espeir wrote:
Whether you deal with it immediately or later is irrelevant.
That was never a means to deal with his grandfather's death, but a way to deal with the concept of death. Maybe you need to understand context a bit better and reread the line I quoted. Irregardless, you're wrong. I didn't say he should deal with his grandfather's death by bottling it up inside. If you cannot accept this then you are just a stubborn person.
espeir wrote:
Therefore, whenever I communicate, there's a very good chance I'm right.
No, there's a good chance you think you're right. But, since you're so vastly superior in intelligence, how could I ever assume you're anything but, oh lord espeir? Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
That was never a means to deal with his grandfather's death, but a way to deal with the concept of death. Maybe you need to understand context a bit better and reread the line I quoted. Irregardless, you're wrong. I didn't say he should deal with his grandfather's death by bottling it up inside. If you cannot accept this then you are just a stubborn person.
Irregardless? That means with regard to.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
No, there's a good chance you think you're right. But, since you're so vastly superior in intelligence, how could I ever assume you're anything but, oh lord espeir?
I'm almost always demonstrably right. Of course you would never recognize that since you only accept what you learnt on da streets.
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Well, he's right, and you're wrong. It's a good cup of tea. :)
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
It's a good cup of tea.
:laugh: Jeremy Falcon
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espeir wrote:
I'm belittling you for stating that you don't believe anything that is simply told to you.
The world is flat. Go forth and believe. You are belittling him because you think you are better than him. It's been going on for thousands of years and it is NEVER EVER GOING TO STOP. EVER EVER
led mike wrote:
You are belittling him because you think you are better than him.
He has a problem admiting he's wrong. What's ironic about that is, people that can't be wrong (in their heads) can seldom be right. Being all-knowing is about knowing you don't know everything. Jeremy Falcon
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David Stone wrote:
How's it feel to be the man?
Very well, thank you! ;)
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
That was never a means to deal with his grandfather's death, but a way to deal with the concept of death. Maybe you need to understand context a bit better and reread the line I quoted. Irregardless, you're wrong. I didn't say he should deal with his grandfather's death by bottling it up inside. If you cannot accept this then you are just a stubborn person.
Irregardless? That means with regard to.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
No, there's a good chance you think you're right. But, since you're so vastly superior in intelligence, how could I ever assume you're anything but, oh lord espeir?
I'm almost always demonstrably right. Of course you would never recognize that since you only accept what you learnt on da streets.
espeir wrote:
Of course you would never recognize that since you only accept what you learnt on da streets.
This is the level of rebuttal you now seek? Why can't you just say "oops"? Jeremy Falcon
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code-frog wrote:
"Shiloam" (SP?)
Shalom. I would have to say, we shouldn't devolve this thread into a religion vs. secular flamefest, simply because someone said something another didn't like.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
I prefer truth over believing what I've been told because I told so by my parents who had even a lesser understanding of life than future generations will.
True or False: Nero was emperor of Rome.
espeir wrote:
True or False: Nero was emperor of Rome.
It's a CD Burning package. Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
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Shog9 wrote:
and hope to be reunited again some day.
Shog - I've read your articles and posts over the past few years and have a good respect for your thoughts. I am not wanting to start a flame war, as I am very agnostic on the idea, but what makes you cling to the idea of an afterlife? Is it just out of comfort, or is there some sort of scientific basis? When I am depressed in times like these, I find myself wanting, hoping, for some sort of reunification in the end, but the whole idea just doesn't quite analign with my analytical thinking. And that saddens me even more. Jim RunFatBoy.net[^] - Exercise for the rest of us.
AAntix wrote:
but what makes you cling to the idea of an afterlife? Is it just out of comfort, or is there some sort of scientific basis?
I think most people do that as a comfort thing. The idea that life's not totally over when you die makes people feel safer and more secure I guess. Regards, Nish
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Heh. Can you name the song or the band?
Once you wanted revolution
Now you're the institution
How's it feel to be the man?Nope. :sigh: Luckily, Google could: The Ascent of Stan. :-D
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led mike wrote:
You are belittling him because you think you are better than him.
He has a problem admiting he's wrong. What's ironic about that is, people that can't be wrong (in their heads) can seldom be right. Being all-knowing is about knowing you don't know everything. Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Being all-knowing is about knowing you don't know everything.
Once again you're wrong. It's about knowing that you know nothing.
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Hmm.. I didn't see that as kindness and support. What I saw was someone trying to push his beliefs onto someone who's saddened. Maybe it was his intent, but it didn't show. I think it just enforced my view of the human race: we're all just a bunch of egomaniacs, trying to convert everybody to our own belief system. (If that wasn't the case, we wouldn't be arguing so much, would we? :))
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I don't think we are egomaniacs as much as people with passion. Passion is good for things like art, music, science, etc... Passion is horrible when it is carried out with a war-like nature. I'm learning that I can speak of my mind, beliefs and passions openly so long as I'm just as open to others speaking their minds, opinions and passions to me. I have to give others the same amount of freedom I take with my own actions. If I say I believe and someone says they don't believe it's going to get ugly immediately if people become angry in their responses. People should peacefully debate things and they need to choose the correct context for those debates. I didn't have a problem at all with what Steve said except the part that Nish pointed out. Whether I beleive that part or not matters very little because that statement alone says that what others believe isn't good enough. I'm happy to discuss the strengths and weaknesses of religions, programming conventions and all manner of things but I don't believe in excluding others in an improper context.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Being all-knowing is about knowing you don't know everything.
Once again you're wrong. It's about knowing that you know nothing.
espeir wrote:
It's about knowing that you know nothing.
Then you really are all-knowing. ;P Jeremy Falcon
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Nope. :sigh: Luckily, Google could: The Ascent of Stan. :-D
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:-D I :love: Ben Folds.
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Now you're the institution
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AAntix wrote:
but what makes you cling to the idea of an afterlife? Is it just out of comfort, or is there some sort of scientific basis?
I think most people do that as a comfort thing. The idea that life's not totally over when you die makes people feel safer and more secure I guess. Regards, Nish
Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blog (New)Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
I think most people do that as a comfort thing. The idea that life's not totally over when you die makes people feel safer and more secure I guess.
Yup. Funny thing is, if life extends after death, who's to say it doesn't extend before birth? And if so, how come we never remember it? The list goes on and on, but I doubt we'll ever know with today's technology (or at all for that matter). Jeremy Falcon
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espeir wrote:
True or False: Nero was emperor of Rome.
It's a CD Burning package. Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
Michael Martin wrote:
It's a CD Burning package.
And a darn good one. Farhan Noor Qureshi if (this == this) thow this;
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
That's your interpretation of it which is wrong. It's not referring to the particular incident at all, but general advice for years later.
It's not like you were speaking in pig latin or anything. It was pretty clear what you said and it stands on its own without any further need of interpretation. Whether you deal with it immediately or later is irrelevant.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
I know you think you're always right
Only because I assert myself what I know I'm right and I'm quiet when ambiguous. Therefore, whenever I communicate, there's a very good chance I'm right.
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espeir wrote:
True or False: Nero was emperor of Rome.
It's a CD Burning package. Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
Michael Martin wrote:
It's a CD Burning package.
DVDs too. Regards, Nish
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At nighttime.
espeir wrote:
At nighttime.
A skin joke? Regards, Nish
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
I thought it particularly selfish that he was trying to take advantage of someone's misery to preach his religious beliefs.
I don't think it was selfish of him at all. When a Christian tells someone else of their own beliefs, it's usually out of a desire to help the other person. Christianity isn't some pyramid scheme where you get more points in heaven for every person you sign up... :rolleyes:
Once you wanted revolution
Now you're the institution
How's it feel to be the man?David Stone wrote:
Christianity isn't some pyramid scheme where you get more points in heaven for every person you sign up...
But that is exactly how I see many devout Christians behave. While I was in the Marines, I had a Corporal who worked under me and he kept preaching to me. I gave him four fair warnings about preaching religion to me personally, about how it's not acceptable to me and that he should cease. He didn't. I asked him why he persisted. He said as a Christian it was his duty to save my soul. I asked him if he believed he could fly or that Jesus would catch him if I threw him out the office window (second floor of a two story building) onto the cars in the parking lot. He then said "are you threatening me?" I said "No, but I did give you FOUR chances to stop and you didn't. So I felt compelled to provide the appropriate risk for your perceived reward." He didn't say anything to me again about religion in any form. Sharing your beliefs about how you can find strength in God and Jesus is fine. But then Steve Holle threw in an obvious penalty clause about how there is no hope otherwise, that was crossing a line that shouldn't have been crossed. And Steve *KNEW* he was crossing the line when he posted it but he went ahead and did it anyway, which shows a huge lack of sense *AND* sensitivity. Both of which I'm told repeatedly are highy valued Christian traits. And both of which are repeatedly displayed as being in short supply in those same Christians. Mike Poz -- modified at 16:40 Tuesday 27th June, 2006 forgot to debold... -- modified at 16:41 Tuesday 27th June, 2006 I really have to learn to use the preview button...